Defending The Kingdom 2/26: “Refitting the Backpacks” – Offensive Line | Have You Ever Seen a Good Team with a Bad Offensive Line?

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Speaker 1: next edition of Defending the Kingdom, Refitting the Backpack. We’re

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Speaker 1: getting ready to climb the hill again, the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: Football League veteran Sean Barber. We’re refitting the backpack. My friend,

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Speaker 1: I put it on Twitter and people are like, man,

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Speaker 1: I’m so excited to get back in the lab with

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Speaker 1: especially this time of year. Right the combine is right

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Speaker 1: a future for themselves. UM, and some guys from small

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Speaker 1: schools like myself, prove a lot of people wrong. That’s

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Speaker 1: We see dudes from the M DOUBLEA. We love the league,

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Speaker 1: doing this over the next nine weeks or so to

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Speaker 1: get you up to the draft. Is every position group.

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Speaker 1: You can go back if you missed it. It’s archived.

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Speaker 1: You can get our discussion on the defensive line and

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Speaker 1: all of the vast discussions there. And we’re going to

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Speaker 1: talk today about the offensive line. First of all, this

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Speaker 1: is this is really intriguing. I talked about Jenny Gray

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Speaker 1: Watkins in Saint Louis works out. Listen to this. When

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Speaker 1: I said that, some other folks were texting me, going, well,

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Speaker 1: we work out too. A guy that’s a three time

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Speaker 1: pop Man. Whenever you bring two guys to have great ideas. Man,

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Speaker 1: your knowledge of the game, your knowledge of the chiefs

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Speaker 1: just college what I’m talking about every high school in

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Speaker 1: and I guarantee Mitch the Voice knows the mascot to

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Speaker 1: go at the school. It’s phenomenal. I think he’s on

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, man, we bring the truth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we’re definitely we love to see our team,

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Speaker 1: thing that we always do, man, we bring it. We

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Speaker 1: wired to go for a repeat. Everybody is. But let’s

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid an offensive lineman himself. One of the first

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Speaker 1: and let’s start with the tackles. You look at Eric

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Speaker 1: We talk about office lineman’s having an anchor, being able

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Speaker 1: But he also might be top three tackles overall in

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Speaker 1: we talk about the screen. He’s able to do so much,

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Speaker 1: His value to this offensive line is one that’s I

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Speaker 1: with miss Schwartz, Schwartz Fisher together in the regular season,

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Speaker 1: three holes combined all season long at two positions, which

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Speaker 1: Now to me, Stephan Nosnewski is a free agent. Chiefs

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Speaker 1: The guys there now was Newski is a free agent.

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Speaker 1: what is required in an Andy Reid offense for the

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman shop? To me, they must be agile. It’s

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Speaker 1: the old agilemobile hostile. They’ve got to move. They have

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Speaker 1: zone team. Yeah, they got a zone block. Well wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, they run power outs. It’s probably the best

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Speaker 1: The requirements to play offensive line in this system, and

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Speaker 1: I’m gonna include intelligence because Andy talks about how smart

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Speaker 1: these guys are. But to me, that’s a requirement. Otherwise

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Speaker 1: I don’t think you can survive in this offense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Andy’s offense is one of the things where he downloads

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Speaker 1: to pick up on what we’re doing. All the minute adjustments.

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Speaker 1: because you’re protecting one of the most valuable pieces in

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Speaker 1: I think with our offensive line is these guys have

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Speaker 1: the right angles because linebackers like me, we look for

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Speaker 1: linemen to get their shoulders over their feet. They get

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Speaker 1: We talk about having great feet. I mean, it’s almost

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Speaker 1: like it’s so many things. It’s such a laundry list

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Speaker 1: of attributes. A lineman has to have to be great,

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Speaker 1: and I think that’s why it’s only a few really

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Speaker 1: good ones in the league. We talk about great offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: you have a lot of a lot of good guys.

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Speaker 1: So you have a lot of guys at above average.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about great offensive lineman, you probably is

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Speaker 1: only about five or six something that could play any

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Speaker 1: position across the line and get it done. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: with our offense, you just got to be able to

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Speaker 1: handle everything because of the comprehensive. How comprehensive this offense

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Speaker 1: is all right, looking at the list of free agents,

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Speaker 1: and again this will change dramatically. But I’m just gonna

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Speaker 1: listen to guys. I’m not even gonna ask you your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: I’m just gonna throw them out there. But these are

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Speaker 1: guys that are free agents. Anthony Costanzo the Colts, very underrated.

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Speaker 1: Jack Conklin of the Titans Tennessee has had a good

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Speaker 1: offensive line for years. Joe Tuney of New England a guard.

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Speaker 1: To me, he’s very interesting, good player left tackle. Jason

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Speaker 1: Peters of Philly well known. Brian Balaga oft injured, played

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Speaker 1: a lot with Green Bay. Graham Glasgow the Lions at guard.

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Speaker 1: Connor McGovern Denver’s a free agent. Missouri dude has started

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years for the Broncos. Austin blythe

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Speaker 1: of the Rams. Okay, I’m only going to ask you

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Speaker 1: this about that in that we all know people that

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Speaker 1: follow the NFL very closely know that every team has

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Speaker 1: a pie graph, and in that piagraph you have the

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Speaker 1: salary cap. Yeah, how much of that pie graph do

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Speaker 1: I invest in the offensive line? To think about all

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Speaker 1: the discussion we’ve had in the first twenty one minutes

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Speaker 1: of this podcast, but teams sometimes can overspend in this area.

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Speaker 1: You have to find a I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: science and this is worth to me. And you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Brett Beach, and Brett Beach and his staff have done

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Speaker 1: a great job at the offensive line. But you also

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Speaker 1: have to be careful to have too much your pie

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Speaker 1: graph in this area because you’re gonna have to spend

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Speaker 1: that in other areas. Because we all know what’s coming

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Speaker 1: with Mahomes. Yeah, nothing what we do is well and

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Speaker 1: especially if we’d learn off what happened in the history, right,

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Speaker 1: history tells us that we’re gonna need extra offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: You can’t just go, hey, I’m gonna go fifteen million

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Speaker 1: per person across the offensive line, because when those guys

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Speaker 1: miss games, that means the guy who’s filling in is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a minimum salary guy. And so when you

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Speaker 1: talk about that offensive line, it’s not just five deep

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Speaker 1: you gotta tell how much money you’re gonna spend eight

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Speaker 1: or nine people deep to make sure that the guy’s

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Speaker 1: backing up your starters actually a quality guys that can

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Speaker 1: go in and play and survive a game, survive a

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Speaker 1: couple of games until your guy gets ready again going back.

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Speaker 1: You know, we look at right now. We got Fisher

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Speaker 1: on the cap for twenty and twenty at about fifteen

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Speaker 1: point two. We got Swarts at ten point eight, and

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Speaker 1: then we got the Doctor LDT at nine million. I

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Speaker 1: mean that that’s a lot of money wrapped up in

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Speaker 1: three guys, and not to mention, you know, the center

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Speaker 1: rider is three point eight. And then we got to

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Speaker 1: think about what we’re gonna do with guard I think,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the smart move is to bring back if

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Speaker 1: we can bring back both of our guards, Wiley and

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Speaker 1: and if we can bring both of those back on

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Speaker 1: the whiskey, you know age is getting up there, but

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Speaker 1: we should be able to get both of those guys,

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Speaker 1: resign them for a bargain price because they know they’re

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Speaker 1: coming back to a championship team. They’re gonna get postseason money,

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Speaker 1: they’re gonna have the accolades, the offense, they’re already familiar with,

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Speaker 1: so it’s not like relearning the wheel and that to

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Speaker 1: an offensive linement, I think it means a lot more

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Speaker 1: than most things. Trying to integrate yourself to a whole

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Speaker 1: new team, a whole new system, and then learning a

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Speaker 1: whole new set of calls sometimes becomes mentally challenging, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn’t even allow you to show how good of

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Speaker 1: a player you are on the field because you’re thinking

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Speaker 1: too much. Once you learn the offense, you always become

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Speaker 1: comfortable with it, and now you just got to go

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Speaker 1: to training camp sometime. Getting back into a system you’re

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Speaker 1: familiar with, it allows you to unleash some of that

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Speaker 1: hidden potential and you actually move up the charts and

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Speaker 1: become something a lot greater than everybody thought you would be.

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Speaker 1: And I think that’s the case where Schwartz, camp Irvan,

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Speaker 1: guys that came from the Browns came to this team

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Speaker 1: as kind of afterthoughts. People didn’t think they were going

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Speaker 1: to survive in the league, and then they flourish in

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Speaker 1: this offense. They flourish under the two lists of Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes and coach Andy Heck And it wasn’t nothing different.

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Speaker 1: There was the same ball of clay to work with.

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Speaker 1: But here in Kansas City because of the two LIGs,

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Speaker 1: because of the time and the patience, And you gotta

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Speaker 1: give a little bit credit to coach Eric be Enemy too.

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Speaker 1: The offensive staff work together with these guys. They looked

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Speaker 1: at their strengths and made sure they were able to

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Speaker 1: work on their strength and weaknesses so they could all

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Speaker 1: be competent and and and and and complimentary ball players.

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Speaker 1: So I think that from a from a salary camp standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know Pat’s gonna bring the house. We

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Speaker 1: know we’re gonna have to pay that quarterback position, But

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Speaker 1: besides that, you have to invest some real equity in

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Speaker 1: your offensive line to protect that Ferrari in the garage.

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Speaker 1: You know what I’m saying. Absolutely, and Wizz. I’m not

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Speaker 1: trying to get Wiz a new contract here, but to me,

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Speaker 1: there is I always respected him when he was with

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Speaker 1: other teams, Raiders, Eagles, but that dude is a cocking gun.

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Speaker 1: Last year he was cacking for this offensive line, and

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Speaker 1: talk about these younger guys. He’s almost like an assistant

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Speaker 1: for Randy heck As he’s a technique and then off

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Speaker 1: the field he’s awesome. Okay, now the college guys, I’m

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Speaker 1: just gonna throw out names here. We don’t have to

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Speaker 1: talk about him, but I do want to UM ask

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Speaker 1: you en Mass about this group. But I’m just gonna

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Speaker 1: go through him here. Some of these are premium guys.

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Speaker 1: You’ll go in the first stround because you mentioned what

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Speaker 1: we pay fish. But that’s a premium position. We all

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Speaker 1: know that. Go read the book The Blindsider watched the movie.

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Speaker 1: UM Joshua Jones of Houston, University of Houston, Andrew Thomas Georgia,

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Speaker 1: probably the top rated dude tackled Jedrick Willis Alabama, Tristan

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Speaker 1: Worf’s Iowa. Interesting guy, Austin Jackson USC backed in out

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Speaker 1: of Louisville. Then there’s the guards UM Solomon Kinley, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: Lemieux out of Oregon, A Logan Stenberger Kentucky, Darryl Williams

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State. And then there’s a guard local kid Idenogy

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Speaker 1: A Chemidenogy of Kansas who was a four year starter.

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Speaker 1: I think at forty eighth straight starts for KU as

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Speaker 1: a guard. Because here’s here’s what M I ask you about.

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Speaker 1: M and Tyler Bedez or Biddy from Wisconsin. I like him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he’s cushion bury lshoe. But the center position,

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Speaker 1: because we have seen rookie centers and we add Austin

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Speaker 1: Ryder there, we know that. But there are some potential

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Speaker 1: key guard center combos. Remember your two guys aren’t aren’t

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Speaker 1: starting in an NFL game. Gotta be a guard center

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Speaker 1: combo or a tackle tackle tackle guard combo. There are

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Speaker 1: some centers in this draft that I think are very interesting,

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Speaker 1: and the kid at Kus interesting. But what about in

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Speaker 1: the draft finding a center guard combo. Let’s we know

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Speaker 1: swing tackle. I want to ask you about the center

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Speaker 1: guard combo and how valuable they can be. I think

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Speaker 1: it’s it’s it’s a commodity to be able to get

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Speaker 1: that center guard combo late in late rounds in the draft, because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, the premium positions are the tackles. Everybody’s

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Speaker 1: gonna go after those top tackles. Six six sixty seven

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Speaker 1: mammoth guys. They three hundred sixty pounds long arms. You

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Speaker 1: can envision them being the next Lane Johnson’s, the next

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Speaker 1: Mitchell Schwartz, next Fishers. But as the draft goes and

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Speaker 1: all these other players draft wards come down, all those

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Speaker 1: guards and centers get pushed down the board and then

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Speaker 1: you have like a second round guy still available in

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Speaker 1: the fourth, You got a third round guy still available

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Speaker 1: in the fifth. And when it’s time pick, you start

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Speaker 1: thinking about depth on that offensive line. You’re able to

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Speaker 1: get some guys that are really quality football players that

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Speaker 1: can be studs, they can be pluggers. They can come

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Speaker 1: in and and uh add depth to that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: that attitude, and then you got to take him out

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Speaker 1: back and do what Beach and those guys do. Put

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Speaker 1: the ball in the hand. See can they can they

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Speaker 1: do the shotgun snaps? Can they snap with that somebody

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Speaker 1: under center? Can they make the calls? Do they understand

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Speaker 1: the lingo in the language to be able to communicate protection? Um,

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Speaker 1: like the centers are asked to do. Can they actually

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Speaker 1: you know, have that leadership to control the line. And

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Speaker 1: you know we talked the one thing that you know,

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Speaker 1: rather he showed me that, Um he was he played

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Speaker 1: beyond his years. I mean he’s playing a position like

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Speaker 1: a ten year veteran. He’s commanding offensive guys around. He

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Speaker 1: ain’t taking no jump from nobody, didn’t matter who you

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Speaker 1: line up in front of him. Um, he hasn’t seen

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Speaker 1: a dog a defensive tackle that he don’t like to

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Speaker 1: get after. And that’s the kind of gritting attitude I

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Speaker 1: think coach Andy Heck Andy Reid, you know he said

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Speaker 1: Andy Ree’s an ex offensive old offensive lineman. Well, he

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Speaker 1: he knows what it’s about being in those trenches. He

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Speaker 1: knows what kind of war and nuttrition and battle you

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Speaker 1: have to what kind of attitude you have to have

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Speaker 1: to survive in the trenches. And so they have such

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Speaker 1: a great feel of the mentality and the makeup the

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Speaker 1: moxie those guys have to have not to only survive,

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Speaker 1: but to thrive in the trenches. And I think that’s

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Speaker 1: what we’re looking We’re looking for guys not to just

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Speaker 1: be able to make the roster. We’re looking for the

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Speaker 1: next Pro Bowl guys and the guys that are ready

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Speaker 1: to take that take it to the next level. And

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Speaker 1: if you keep integrating those guys at the back end

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Speaker 1: of your roster, man, I’m telling you that offensive line,

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Speaker 1: that line of scrimmage you can dominate that you’ll consistently

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Speaker 1: be in the playoffs punching tickets to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things, as we closed, when you played

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Speaker 1: with the Cheese and with the Eagles, but in the Redskins.

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Speaker 1: But let’s just take the Chiefs. Bran Waters in the

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Speaker 1: Ring of Honor was not even drafted. The dude was

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Speaker 1: a tight end at North Texas. Okay, Will Shields was

602
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Speaker 1: a third round draft pick. He’s in the Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. This isn’t something to your point you

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00:28:58,080 –> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: can take in the first round. Two and one final

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Speaker 1: comment from you. The center position, what I’ve learned about it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: think about the WASP play. All right, We’re gonna run

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Speaker 1: Jet three twenty three wasp. Okay, I’ve got to get

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Speaker 1: on the center. I gotta get the play call. I

609
00:29:12,360 –> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: gotta get the snap count. I gotta have a perfect

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Speaker 1: snap to Patrick Mahomes at five yards, perfect where he

611
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Speaker 1: doesn’t even think about it, right, not even it’s just

612
00:29:19,160 –> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: like brushing his teeth. He didn’t think about it. Then

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Speaker 1: I’ve got to where’s the middle linebacker? Pat? Will you

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Speaker 1: see him pointing out or he’ll point a call like

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Speaker 1: fifty nine fifty nine? Okay, that’s the mic. We’re counting

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Speaker 1: off the mic, and our protections are such counting off

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Speaker 1: that beacon. If you will so as a center, then

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Speaker 1: I’m gonna make a line call, I might make an adjustment.

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Speaker 1: This all happens within fifteen seconds, So I got to

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Speaker 1: think the play call. I’m the center, play call, the

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Speaker 1: snap count. I hear Pat barking out a signal, maybe

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Speaker 1: an audible, and then I’m telling you you’re my left guard.

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Speaker 1: I’m going blue spider or blue spider or blue spot er,

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Speaker 1: which means we’re going to change even the protection within

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Speaker 1: the protection that is the center position in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: To me gives me chills talking about it. It is

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Speaker 1: fascinating barbershop because if you get a do that, and

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Speaker 1: you talk about writers nastiness, you get to do that

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Speaker 1: commands that position, Oh my goodness, it’s like gold going

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Speaker 1: up the mountain. And you think about how much we

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Speaker 1: rely on Pat to make so many decisions and everything.

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Speaker 1: If you get a center that can take a little

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Speaker 1: bit off of his platter, just a little bit, he

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Speaker 1: can just trust with the protection and the shifts and

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Speaker 1: the motions that kind of thing, then that just allows

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Speaker 1: his brain to continue to focus down the field on

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Speaker 1: the coverage, and that allows him to focus on whether

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Speaker 1: whether he likes to play and doesn’t like to play.

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Speaker 1: If we can do that, if we can get that

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Speaker 1: type of commonality of a mind frame between the center

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Speaker 1: and in the quarterback position. Then we thought we’ve seen

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Speaker 1: the offense work in twenty eighteen at a high level.

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Speaker 1: We thought two nineteen championship level, that’s just the tip

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Speaker 1: of iceberg. It’s you know, we talking about iceberg. It’s

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Speaker 1: what’s beneath the water you need to worry about. That’s

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Speaker 1: what the kN city the offense is. This is an Iceberg.

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Speaker 1: We’ve seen a lot, we’ve seen the Championship, we’ve seen

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Speaker 1: MVP during the Super Bowl. But but there’s so much

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Speaker 1: more to this all defense, and if you get the

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Speaker 1: right guys at the office of the line, they can

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Speaker 1: do some things. Uh they can change plays and change

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Speaker 1: protections and allow Pat to just worry about what’s going

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Speaker 1: on on the back end of the defense and he

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Speaker 1: doesn’t even have to worry about any pressure up front

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Speaker 1: or a late blissing linebacker or a defensive stunt move

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Speaker 1: being being made, and he can just keep his eyes,

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Speaker 1: stay in the pocket, keep his feet, and then it’s

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Speaker 1: deliver the ball. It’s it’s it’s unlimited to what the

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Speaker 1: potential of this offense could be, and it might start

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Speaker 1: with this two thousand and twenty draft class. You talked

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Speaker 1: about some great guys. I’m really so interested. Like the

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Speaker 1: guy he’s had from Louisville, the six seven guy Isaiah

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Speaker 1: Wilson from Georgia. He’s a sophomore, but he’s coming out.

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Speaker 1: He’s another six seven guy. I mean, then the black ass,

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Speaker 1: the guy from Wisconsin. I mean, I think I think

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Speaker 1: that he actually has a chance of actually being around

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Speaker 1: in that third or fourth round. And then we got

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Speaker 1: to make an investment pick. That’s that’s a quality pick.

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Speaker 1: I think you get a guy with second second round,

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Speaker 1: first round quality skill level. But you’re able to get

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Speaker 1: him because everybody else is going for the skill players.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else going of a quarterback, wide receiver, UM, defensive backs, linebackers,

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Speaker 1: edge rushers, UM. Those linemen as they slide down the board, Man,

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Speaker 1: you can really do some some some some some future

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Speaker 1: investing in your team by picking a great offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: late in the draft. I think it’s beyond it. I

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Speaker 1: think it’s I’m trying to think now, but I checked

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Speaker 1: with I’ve got people I know at Wisconsin. Team captain Um,

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Speaker 1: super smart, super tough, fits the mold. He’s a guy

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Speaker 1: that even if you didn’t start him right away. It

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Speaker 1: could be a croc put guy and maybe second year. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: sometimes omega leads to alpha. And I’m gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: a question as we close, and it’s really a us

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Speaker 1: or no question. You’ve played ball since bittie ball, right,

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Speaker 1: You’ve played since when you start playing football? Actually I

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00:32:43,840 –> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: played little league, but I didn’t start playing organized ball

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00:32:45,880 –> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: in to eleventh grade. But when were you interested in it?

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Speaker 1: I’m playing out a boy on the farm. Imagine nd

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Speaker 1: Dawson When I’m in eight years old. I lived up

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Speaker 1: in the coulda sacon. We had actually a circle. We

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Speaker 1: called it a circle men eight other guys in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: We met in a circle five times a week with

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Speaker 1: one football who threw it up, Um, throw it up

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Speaker 1: and run. Whoever caught the ball had to try to score,

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Speaker 1: where the other seven guys try to tackle him. We

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Speaker 1: did that every other day. Um, all my youth. I

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Speaker 1: love that. I love it. But I’m asking this question

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Speaker 1: as we close. Have you ever seen a good football

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Speaker 1: team with a bad offensive line. There’s no such thing

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Speaker 1: that The definition of a good football team starts part

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Speaker 1: of the definition of a football team. A great football

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Speaker 1: team is a great offensive line, There is synonymous. There

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Speaker 1: is no such thing as a football team you’ve ever

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Speaker 1: seen going anywhere in the league that didn’t start with

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Speaker 1: their guys up front. If you can’t keep your quarterback

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Speaker 1: up right, if you can’t create gaps and running lanes

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Speaker 1: for your your running back to go through, then it’s

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Speaker 1: it’s it’s a non factor. Look at the offensive lines

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Speaker 1: that ended up in Super Bowl last year ours and

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Speaker 1: saying France, they did they were they were equally Um,

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Speaker 1: they were equally yoked. You know. Um, they could protect

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, they could open great Russian lanes. Um, they

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Speaker 1: kept their quarterbacks upright. Um. And the teams that are

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Speaker 1: drafting first, second, and third in this draft or teams,

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Speaker 1: they couldn’t do that. And unfortunately, those teams will probably

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Speaker 1: still pass on a lot of great offensive linement because

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Speaker 1: they’re still trying to get these wire receivers and running

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Speaker 1: backs and edge rushers. They’re getting these marquee positions because

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Speaker 1: they think that’s going to change the nature of their

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Speaker 1: roster when realistically they should be drafting at the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Offensive line, defensive line. That’s where it starts.

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Speaker 1: Every game started loving this game when I was seven

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Speaker 1: and eight. Didn’t played at your level, but I played

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Speaker 1: as long as I could. I’ve covered Division One for

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Speaker 1: forty some years, and this only could be my twenty

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Speaker 1: seventh year in the NFL. I’m going to affirm I

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Speaker 1: have yet to see a good football team with a

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Speaker 1: bad offensive line. As we refit the backpack and sharpen

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Speaker 1: the pickaxe for the climb back up the mountain, fans

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Speaker 1: of the Chiefs Kingdom never ever, ever, ever, ever ever

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Speaker 1: underestimate the impact and power of an offensive line. Barbershop,

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Speaker 1: We’ll do it again. We’re gonna go back to it.

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Speaker 1: We’re going to the linebacker next week. We’re gonna get

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Speaker 1: right in your wheelhouse as we start that climb back

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Speaker 1: up the mountain. Mitch Holters with your voice to the Chief.

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Speaker 1: Sean Barber aka Barber Shop, aka Shop aka the Spider Man.

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Speaker 1: This is defending the Kingdom. Get ready to refit the backpack,

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Speaker 1: Chiefs Kingdom. We’re gonna do this again. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to the Chief’s official podcast network. To touch down, We’ll

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Speaker 1: look it down and the celebration begins in their head