🎙️ NFL Combine Preview w/ WRs Coach Chad O’Shea | Defending The Kingdom

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Speaker 1: it really exploded in the middle eighties. It’s the NFL

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Speaker 1: combine and NFL fans cannot wait, nor can we because

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Speaker 1: we’re headed there. But before we head there, we’re here

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Speaker 1: on this edition of Defending the Kingdom.

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Speaker 2: The homes in the pocket will.

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Speaker 1: Step up, You’ll scrabble ten fine dogs, diving touchdown, Chance

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Speaker 1: of City. Harry Wan I’m Cheolda’s voice of the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: along with senior team reporter Matt McMullan, and yes, we

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Speaker 1: are headed to Indianapolis. Normally we’re a little bit like

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Speaker 1: coming off as Super Bowl and little weary wouldn’t But

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Speaker 1: now we’re like ready to go to check out Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: So there’s some excitement as we head to the East.

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Speaker 3: It’s a weird feeling because you’re right, the last three

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Speaker 3: years we’re coming off the Super Bowl and we have

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Speaker 3: like twenty minutes it feels like to figure out all

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Speaker 3: the draft prospects that we’re interested in, and you know

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Speaker 3: what the combine is going to look like. This year

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Speaker 3: a little bit different and I’m ready for it because really,

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Speaker 3: ever since we got eliminated from postseason contention. We’ve been

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Speaker 3: talking about how can we get a jumpstart on next season,

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Speaker 3: get a jump start on avoiding what happened last year

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Speaker 3: and making this team better. And we’ve been doing that,

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Speaker 3: but now we can finally go to the combine and

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Speaker 3: it feels like this is kind of when the off

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Speaker 3: season truly begins and we’re fired up about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we’re not going to get the weeds of a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys here. We’re going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: local guys, which is kind of fun. Yeah, that will

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Speaker 1: be at the Combine. But I’m excited because this is

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Speaker 1: my thirty third year in the NFL and I’ve never

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Speaker 1: been to.

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Speaker 2: The Scout Combine. I’m a rookie. Let’s go out. Is

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Speaker 2: there a rookie initiation?

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Speaker 1: I mean, do I have to like, do you take

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Speaker 3: Or anyway? I can’t wait. Yeah, it’s a cool experience.

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Speaker 3: I think you’ll like it a lot. Like Indianapolis is

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Speaker 3: designed to host conventions. It’s like the perfect city for it.

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Speaker 3: And to have that many people in one big room

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Speaker 3: where you have all these reporters, all these scouts, GMS,

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Speaker 3: all these NFL hopefuls, it’s pretty cool. To see it

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Speaker 3: all right there, and we’re going to talk to a

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Speaker 3: lot of people. We’re going to have a desk like

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Speaker 3: in the radio row area will be all official. I

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Speaker 3: will interview a bunch of people, hopefully interview some chiefs,

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Speaker 3: front office people, and going with this offseason, it’ll be fun.

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Speaker 1: Three hundred and nineteen players have been invited to the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six NFL Combine. And we know that there’s

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Speaker 1: the speed and agility drills that are talked about ad nauseum,

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Speaker 1: but this really also is like the interviews are interesting.

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Speaker 1: Each team gets sixty interviews. Yeah, you get fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: a piece basically, but I’ve talked to coaches and players

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Speaker 1: down through the years those interviews are more impactful sometimes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.

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Speaker 1: There’s some dumb questions by some teams in the interview,

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Speaker 1: but it’s also you’ve got to figure out not just

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Speaker 1: the physical abilities, but some mental acumen. And you go

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Speaker 1: through this in your vetting of a player and the

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Speaker 1: pro days and when you get on campus and you

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Speaker 1: actually talk to everybody you can find around that player,

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Speaker 1: think is intriguing because you do get some element of

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Speaker 1: what it does take to play in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it’s one of the most important things

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Speaker 3: that happens at the Combine. The athletic testing is important,

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Speaker 3: and we’re going to talk all about that while we’re there,

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Speaker 3: and you reference that, you know when you pick guys

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Speaker 3: like hey, he runs this forty yard dash or this

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Speaker 3: twenty yard shuttle, all that stuff like, it’s important, it matters.

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Speaker 3: But I think the two most important things at the

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Speaker 3: combine are the medical because you get everyone in one

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Speaker 3: you can agree on and say this is legitimate, figure

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Speaker 3: out injury history, stuff like that. But then also the

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Speaker 3: interviews and is this player going to fit with our culture?

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Speaker 3: do things here, will they fit in with our coaches?

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Speaker 4: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: It’s very important, and I feel like with the coverage

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Speaker 3: of the combine, those two things are kind of overlooked.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: It’s about hey, who is the fastest or the strongest

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Speaker 3: or the most agile. Important, But I think if you

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Speaker 3: interviews in the medical are the most important parts of

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Speaker 1: And we got players in this group that did not

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Speaker 1: play in the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five season

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Speaker 1: at all. So the tape you have to go back

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Speaker 2: But then the.

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Speaker 1: Medicals and we’ve got there’s one guy in here has

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Speaker 1: had two ACL operations, a tight end who’s had two acls.

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Speaker 2: On the same knee.

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Speaker 1: So that becomes paramount when you’re looking at a medical evaluation.

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Speaker 4: No, it definitely does.

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Speaker 3: It’s important, And before the combine existed, there wasn’t like

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Speaker 3: a centralized, agreed upon database. It was you had to

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Speaker 3: go out to all these schools. You had to ask

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Speaker 3: about how difficult that would be if you have a

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Speaker 3: all that stuff. Like the beauty of the combine is

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Speaker 3: everyone can agree on this, and that’s kind of your

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Speaker 3: baseline for when you attack the draft to the whole

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Speaker 3: off season training program. If you take a player that’s

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Speaker 3: coming off an injury, well, we know exactly what he’s

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Speaker 3: been going through so far to this point. It’s super

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Speaker 3: important and it’s not exciting to talk about, but when

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Speaker 3: you’re talking about creating a football team and building this

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Speaker 3: certainly the place to do it.

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Speaker 1: The other phenomenon to me about the NFL Combine, that’s fascinating,

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Speaker 1: and this has been the last three years and we’re

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Speaker 2: This is the whole COVID sensation.

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Speaker 1: Meaning at the combine you’re going to have This wasn’t

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Speaker 1: the way it always was, but you’ll have a twenty

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Speaker 1: gonna have a twenty seven year old. Yeah, there’s like

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Speaker 1: seven year dudes that are finally coming out. They’re going

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Speaker 3: As Carson Beckett the combine, I think he is like

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Speaker 3: seven years in school.

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Speaker 2: Seven years at school.

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Speaker 1: Here’s Carson Beckett forty nine years old, and there’s a

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Speaker 1: twenty year old dude in this thing. So to me,

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Speaker 1: that is it is really interesting, like to look at

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Speaker 1: differentiate where they at in a physical development the mental

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Speaker 1: and emotional development. We know that you can be varied

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Speaker 1: very much like age, so we kind of feel like

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Speaker 1: we’re coming out of the COVID. Hey he’s been at

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Speaker 1: school seven or eight years, but it’s still going to

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Speaker 1: be there for a while. But to me, this year

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Speaker 1: it is full on in that room.

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Speaker 3: The transfer stuff is still so weird to me too.

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Speaker 3: Where if you look at like a guy’s career and

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Speaker 3: he played at like Florida Atlantic and then two years

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Speaker 3: at Virginia Tech, you’re at Miami, finished up at Western Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: What do you call him?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 4: What’s his mascot is?

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Speaker 2: You don’t? And it’s always the last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that doesn’t seem fair, especially if that was

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Speaker 1: like a grad transfer year. There’s one guy we’re going

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Speaker 1: to talk about on here. It fits that role. There’s

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Speaker 1: a local guy that played one year but then he’s

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Speaker 1: tied endo that school.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, Like well wait a minute, like.

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Speaker 4: On something that football he says tight end whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where you really know you’re at Florida Atlantic for

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Speaker 2: three years? Why did you say Oregon? So?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that’s that’s interesting the area play I think

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Speaker 1: deserve mention here. Yeah, and you actually wrote an article

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Speaker 1: about it which was terrific. It’s always something I’m interested

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Speaker 1: in to look at. But there’s some that deserve mentioned.

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Speaker 1: And then there’s also something and I’ll let you go

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Speaker 1: through the list. But then there’s some really interesting stories

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Speaker 1: that go beyond the stories of the local players who

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Speaker 1: will be at the combine.

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Speaker 3: This is always like an annual rite for me, like

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Speaker 3: our tradition. I know the off season is here when

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Speaker 3: I get the list of all the people going to

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Speaker 3: the combine, all three hundred and nineteen of them, if

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Speaker 3: you’re talking about this season, and I google every single one,

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Speaker 3: and I learn a lot about the capabilities of different

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Speaker 3: athletic departments and how much time and effort they put

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Speaker 3: into writing about their players.

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Speaker 4: Some a lot, some not so much, some.

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Speaker 2: Not so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to find other sources. So here’s the local guys.

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Speaker 3: These are local Kansas City prospects, so like Kansas City

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Speaker 3: High schools. I didn’t include the players that went to

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Speaker 3: local universities. So there’s six players from a Zoo, two

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Speaker 3: from KU, two from case Day. If they were from

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Speaker 3: this area, didn’t include them in this because you kind

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Speaker 3: of already know about them. But here’s the guys that

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Speaker 3: went to local Casey High schools. So Wyoming tight end

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Speaker 3: John Michael Gillenborg. I pronounced that correctly.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: So I know his dad. I just saw his dad

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Speaker 1: actually in December. They’re huge Chiefs fans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I figured it out and his dad they would go

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Speaker 1: to Wyoming and drive to the games. They drove to

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Speaker 1: Laramie to the games from Kansas City. From Kansas City

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Speaker 1: and most of the road games they drove to think

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Speaker 1: about who Wyoming’s playing on the road. Yeah, okay, wow,

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Speaker 1: So but they drove and it’s like a nine hour drive. Well,

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Speaker 1: their last years of following John Michael and Laramie were

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Speaker 1: spent listening to the games. They would they would they

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Speaker 1: would time it because if they had a nine hour

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Speaker 1: drive to Laramie, they could burn up with pregame, the game,

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Speaker 1: and postgame. They could burn up five of those nine hours.

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Speaker 1: And they said, oh my gosh it actulute Les saved us. Wow,

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Speaker 1: listen to these games coming back from Wyoming. So it

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Speaker 1: was fun to talk to his dad. Kid’s a talented player. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know Rockers kid, But I’m glad you brought him up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you’ve ever been on that road like around Laramie

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Speaker 3: from like Fort Collins to Laramie or Rock Springs. Yes,

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Speaker 3: you’re lucky if you don’t blow off the highway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Different, it’s like are we on the same planet here? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: This kid, I remember when he played high school. There

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Speaker 3: Interesting guy, yes, and pretty cool. We got Tennessee tight

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Speaker 1: Guess where he went Hutcheson Community College because Miles was

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Speaker 4: It’s crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it’s cool with all these guys. It brings it

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Speaker 4: Some don’t.

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Speaker 2: Can I throw another one into get him on?

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Speaker 3: That was Let me know if I forget anybody, I’m

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Speaker 1: Sure, And Mill Valley is one of the powers in

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Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden, who’s a like

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Speaker 1: Now he’s the starting Cowboy center. Heck’s another one interesting

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Speaker 3: Sure, I think about guys last year like Ariante Urseri

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Speaker 3: These players come from our area and they end up

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Speaker 3: But it’s always fun kind of learning a little bit

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Speaker 3: for you, though, Kudos for you for giving it attention.

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Speaker 4: Now my two hours of googling it pays off.

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Speaker 2: You know, it pays off.

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Speaker 1: It is great, and I hope Chiefs fans appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We didn’t get into Nebraska and Iowan. Some locals when

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Speaker 1: But I just think it’s part of the kingdom when

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Speaker 3: I’ll ask one of them, like, what what do I

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Speaker 1: I have come.

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Speaker 4: I got three?

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Speaker 1: So we could put John Michael Gillenborg’s parents on here

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Speaker 1: because they listen to the defending that whatever they got

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Speaker 1: to do to eat up the nine hour drive.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the Gillenborgs, Yeah, we appreciate you. Shout

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Speaker 3: out to Jim in western North Carolina near Asheville. He

427
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Speaker 3: grew up in Chiefs Kingdom though, and when he lived

428
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Speaker 3: in Casey, k he turned the volume down on the TV,

429
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Speaker 3: turn you up, as one does. Having some trouble doing

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00:18:52,200 –> 00:18:54,520
Speaker 3: that now though, and He had a question, can people

431
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Speaker 3: listen to the radio broadcast like outside.

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Speaker 4: Of our market.

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Speaker 2: They can.

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Speaker 1: They have to go online to do it. Okay, they

435
00:19:00,520 –> 00:19:02,240
Speaker 1: can do it. Okay, it’s there and you can sync

436
00:19:02,280 –> 00:19:04,159
Speaker 1: it up real easy to do it. My ninety two

437
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Speaker 1: year old dad does I said, you need to put

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Speaker 1: out a like an online primer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he’s got it.

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Speaker 3: So Jim, check out the Chiefs Radio Network website at

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Speaker 3: Ashville’s gorgeous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I’ve never been there.

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Speaker 1: Home of you and c Asheville. Right, it’s it’s the

444
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Speaker 1: Western Carolina Mountains. It’s it’s really one of the great

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Speaker 1: places in our nation.

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Speaker 4: Got to check it out.

447
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Speaker 2: And the terrible floods not long ago.

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Speaker 3: We got a listener in Brandon, Mississippi. Are you familiar

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Speaker 3: with Brandon?

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Speaker 2: I am not.

451
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Speaker 3: Okay, we’ll have to check that out as well. And

452
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Speaker 3: here’s the updates. We have an update on where Lincoln,

453
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Speaker 3: Missouri is. Remember we were perplexed by that. I was

454
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Speaker 3: concerned that I.

455
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Speaker 2: Just Lincoln University, Lincoln Prep, but it is not going

456
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Speaker 2: to do it. Where is this?

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Speaker 3: So it’s a small town off sixty five Highway south

458
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Speaker 3: of the fifty two and sixty five junction. Near Coal

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Speaker 3: Camp in Windsor.

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Speaker 4: Does that help you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Why did we not know we’re lin Missouri? Is because

463
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Speaker 1: Cole Camp. There’s like this huge German festival there, okay,

464
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Speaker 1: and they have like the best German food on the

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Speaker 1: planet other than Germany.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that’s a big Windsor Cole Camp. I guess Lincoln, Lincoln. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 1: it’s like a big German heritage place, Okay, so I

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Speaker 1: don’t have to have a It’s like the Wienerschnitzel Festival

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Speaker 1: or something. And then Windsor I think was the home

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Speaker 1: of one of our old security guys, Herman.

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Speaker 2: Sure, of course.

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Speaker 1: His name was Herman Herman. Yeah, and his head’s like gigantic.

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Speaker 1: But he was actually Joe Montana’s bodyguard when he was

475
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Speaker 1: really Yeah, he was like the team bodyguard for Joe.

476
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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s pretty cool.

478
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Speaker 1: Kicked me out of camp one day because I didn’t

479
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Speaker 1: have my pass and I’m like, well, I’m the voice

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Speaker 1: of the Chiefs.

481
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Speaker 2: I don’t care.

482
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Speaker 1: If you’re the King of England, you better run back

483
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Speaker 1: to the Norm and get your pass, which was like

484
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Speaker 1: a mile away.

485
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Speaker 2: I ran like a mile.

486
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, secondh my god, I’m gonna get fired.

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Speaker 1: And so Herman sher was a great guy. That’s pretty

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Speaker 1: sure he’s from Windsor.

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Speaker 3: There’s a It reminds me there’s some road games that

490
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Speaker 3: we’ll be at and like Mitch and I, we have

491
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Speaker 3: to have our credentials out.

492
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Speaker 4: We have to scan in everywhere we go.

493
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Speaker 3: Normally the players don’t have to do that, but there

494
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Speaker 3: are some stadiums that we’ve been to where the players

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Speaker 3: and the coaches have to scan their credential to get

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Speaker 3: in the locker room. And I remember one time, like Mahomes,

497
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Speaker 3: his credential wasn’t working and the security guy was just

498
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Speaker 3: standing right there, arms crossed, like you can’t go in.

499
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Speaker 3: It’s like, this is Patrick Mahomes. I can vouch, you know,

500
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Speaker 3: but hey, taking their job seriously. You know, I guess

501
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Speaker 3: they’re pretty recognizable guy, but you.

502
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Speaker 1: Know, maybe you thought it was the fake Patrick Mahomes

503
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Speaker 1: that our people are putting on, like AI.

504
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Speaker 4: Patrick m Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Maybe.

506
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Speaker 1: So anyway, we’re fired up to go to the combine.

507
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Speaker 1: One area that we know that all Kingdom Defenders are

508
00:21:42,640 –> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: watching is which room wide receiver? Oh yeah, and uh

509
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Speaker 1: curious what the Chiefs will do. Potentially at nine we’ll

510
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Speaker 1: get into the weeds of that pick at the combine,

511
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Speaker 1: and later there’s an impressive group of wide receivers that

512
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Speaker 1: will be at the combine and could be potential picks

513
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Speaker 1: at nine. But this episode is also going to focus

514
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Speaker 1: on who is the new leader of that room. Interesting story.

515
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you can circle around. I say, life’s a Monopoly board.

516
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Speaker 1: If you’ve ever played Monopoly, either virtually or like just

517
00:22:14,560 –> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: with the physical board game, you go round and round

518
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Speaker 1: and round. Sometimes you go around twenty times and come

519
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Speaker 1: back to the same place. Here’s our chat with Wide

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Speaker 1: Receivers coach Chat o’she okay, I put this on social media.

521
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Speaker 1: What to Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Julian Edelman, Brandon Cooks,

522
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Speaker 1: Danny Amandola Jarvis, Landry Amari Cooper, and Jerry Judy all

523
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Speaker 1: have in common they were coached by this guy, the

524
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Speaker 1: Chief’s new Wide Receivers coach Chad o’she Sometimes you can

525
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Speaker 1: go full circle.

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Speaker 2: Brother, it’s been over twenty years.

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Speaker 3: You’re back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I am back, and I’m so excited to be back.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it’s really pretty awesome for me. It’s like

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Speaker 5: full circle being here in two thousand and three, where

531
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Speaker 5: I start my NFL career and then be back here again.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it’s an exciting time for me. I know

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Speaker 5: my family’s also excited about the opportunity and we’re just

534
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Speaker 5: can’t wait to get started.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: It’s been over twenty years since you coached here. But

537
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Speaker 3: what do you remember about Kansas City and the football

538
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Speaker 3: culture here in town?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is unique. This is a culture

540
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Speaker 5: that’s unique. It’s one that you’ll never forget. And that

541
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Speaker 5: was one of the things that attracted me to come

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Speaker 5: back here is just kind of the power of Kansas City,

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Speaker 5: the power of the organization, and I think the powers

544
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Speaker 5: in its people. You know, the people here in the

545
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Speaker 5: city and the organization are just outstanding. And it was

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Speaker 5: an easy decision for me to come back here, or

547
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Speaker 5: have the opportunity to come back here to work for

548
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Speaker 5: coach Ree, but to come back to an organization that

549
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Speaker 5: I knew so well and have just a tremendous amount

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Speaker 5: of respect for and mainly because of his people.

551
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Speaker 3: I was going to ask him being back on this building,

552
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Speaker 3: but this building didn’t exist when you were here last time.

553
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Speaker 3: All buildings knew he used to be in the stadium, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So when I.

555
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Speaker 5: Came here and people talked about this building being an

556
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Speaker 5: aging building. I was in the stadium when our office stay,

557
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Speaker 5: so you know, I have some great memories in the

558
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Speaker 5: stadium there where offices were, and just great memories of

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Speaker 5: Coach for Meal and a lot of the great players

560
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Speaker 5: that at the time we were fortunate enough to coach

561
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Speaker 5: and be around. And I know I’ve stayed in contact

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Speaker 5: with Coach for Meal. He’s a mentor to myself and

563
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Speaker 5: and just think so highly of him. And it’s it’s

564
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Speaker 5: just ironic that I got an opportunity to work for

565
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Speaker 5: Coach for Meal, Hall of Fame coach, and now I

566
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Speaker 5: have an opportunity to work for coach Red and those

567
00:24:29,920 –> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 5: two are obviously connected. So it’s really, uh, just an

568
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Speaker 5: awesome time for me to get back here, and I

569
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Speaker 5: just again can’t wait to get started with what is

570
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Speaker 5: going to be a great year.

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Speaker 2: For us and I look forward to it.

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Speaker 1: You look good and read it just felt like it

573
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Speaker 1: was wrong to have you on the other sideline, including

574
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Speaker 1: three playoff games against you as an opponent. But it’s

575
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Speaker 1: great to have you back here. But I want to

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Speaker 1: ask I’m going to get into the kind of the

577
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Speaker 1: weeds of the position here. And you’ve been around I

578
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Speaker 1: mentioned all those guys, but some of those guys led

579
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Speaker 1: the NFL in receptions. You’ve been around high production receivers.

580
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Speaker 1: How do you balance the high production and within the

581
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Speaker 1: scheme and you might get ten targets one week and

582
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Speaker 1: two the next.

583
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Speaker 2: How do you handle that and coach that? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And I’ve been very fortunate to be around some great

585
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Speaker 5: players who had different skill sets. And what’s common with

586
00:25:22,880 –> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 5: all the great players is they’re competitive and.

587
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Speaker 2: They want the football.

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Speaker 5: And I think that’s okay to want the football and

589
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Speaker 5: to be a part of a winning offense. The balance

590
00:25:32,200 –> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 5: comes into what can we do to put the team

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Speaker 5: first in areas that might be outside of just catching

592
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Speaker 5: the football and having your name on the stat line.

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Speaker 5: And I think that’s what’s really important for myself. They’re

594
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Speaker 5: going to feel that when I’m in the room with

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Speaker 5: them that we are going to put the team first

596
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Speaker 5: and that’s where it’s going to start. And with that,

597
00:25:52,840 –> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 5: we can also attain every goal that they want for

598
00:25:55,640 –> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 5: themselves and ultimately those goals that will help us as

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Speaker 5: a team if they can those. So I think there

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Speaker 5: is a balance, and I think that’s the key that

601
00:26:03,720 –> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 5: you have to just understand that there is a balance

602
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Speaker 5: and also know where those players are coming from. They’re

603
00:26:10,000 –> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 5: highly decorated players who are very competitive and want the

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00:26:13,960 –> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 5: football and are deserving of the football, and that will

605
00:26:16,640 –> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 5: help us win. But at the same time, we’re going

606
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Speaker 5: to do other things to really help this Kansas City

607
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Speaker 5: football team win.

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Speaker 3: Now, when you think about your early days as a

609
00:26:25,080 –> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: professional coach in Kansas City over twenty years ago, all

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Speaker 3: the time that’s the past, and the teams that you’ve

611
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Speaker 3: worked for in the time since, where do you think

612
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Speaker 3: you’ve grown most as a coach over the last two decades.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my growth has been with the opportunity I’ve had

614
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Speaker 5: with these great players and great coaches to be around.

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Speaker 5: And I’ve learned more from these players and coaches than

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Speaker 5: i have from any video or any man, you know.

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Speaker 5: And again, I’ve been so fortunate throughout all my stops

618
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Speaker 5: to have people that I have just tremendous amount of

619
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Speaker 5: respect for, not only in coaching, but those players. I’ve

620
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Speaker 5: learned a lot from players, and you know, every up

621
00:27:00,240 –> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 5: along the way, I’ve picked up something small from each

622
00:27:03,440 –> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 5: of those experiences with those people, and it’s kind of

623
00:27:06,400 –> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 5: led me to sit here and be able to bring

624
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Speaker 5: the best I have to help the Cancer Chiefs win.

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Speaker 1: You’ve won Super Bowl rings, You’ve been a coordinator. Football

626
00:27:17,640 –> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: teams have different subcultures. An offense will have be a subculture,

627
00:27:22,160 –> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: but then a wide receiver room becomes a sub subculture.

628
00:27:26,440 –> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: How do you develop a.

629
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Speaker 1: Room that mirrors what coach wants for the team and

630
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Speaker 1: for the offense.

631
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the first thing is we have to

632
00:27:34,600 –> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 5: be aligned with what Coach Reid wants in his vision

633
00:27:38,119 –> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 5: for the football team. And we do that in doing

634
00:27:41,240 –> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 5: our job and being dependable and being detailed. I’ll use those.

635
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Speaker 2: Words over and over.

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Speaker 5: Those are going to be words that you’re going to

637
00:27:47,200 –> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 5: hear me speak a lot here in Kansas City. If like,

638
00:27:51,040 –> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 5: we need to be dependable in detail for this team,

639
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Speaker 5: and it all starts with being aligned with the vision

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Speaker 5: that we have as a football team. I know the

641
00:27:59,480 –> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 5: vision I have as the receivers. Again, it’s going to

642
00:28:01,960 –> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 5: have the word team in it, and that’s going to

643
00:28:04,480 –> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 5: be put the team first and everything we do. And

644
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Speaker 5: I think if we put the team first and everything

645
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Speaker 5: we do, then that’s going to be aligned with what

646
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Speaker 5: coach reads vision is for this football team.

647
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Speaker 3: You mentioned you worked for a lot of great head

648
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Speaker 3: coaches over the years. Was there ever a piece of

649
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Speaker 3: advice or maybe just some a workflow that you observed

650
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Speaker 3: that kind of inspired the coach that you are today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that it started right here in Kansas

652
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Speaker 5: City with coach for Meal. I mean coach for Meial

653
00:28:30,200 –> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 5: really valued the relationship part of coaching and I learned

654
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Speaker 5: that from him, and that is something that is held

655
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Speaker 5: very true. You know. I think that one of the

656
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Speaker 5: most important things you can do as a coach is

657
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Speaker 5: to develop a relationship with your players and everything starts there.

658
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Speaker 5: Without that, you have nothing, And that’s something that you

659
00:28:49,080 –> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 5: can say, but it’s a lot harder to do, and

660
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Speaker 5: it takes some investment on both ends. And I think

661
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Speaker 5: that’s something I’m really looking forward to here, developing relationships

662
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Speaker 5: with people I’ve never met before. And I just think

663
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Speaker 5: that there’s power in people, There’s power in relationships, and

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Speaker 5: that’s what I look forward to doing here.

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Speaker 1: Chad, the last couple of years, I think in the league,

666
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Speaker 1: maybe he’s changed a little bit. We’ve seen guys like

667
00:29:14,200 –> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Pokinakua that have risen Jackson Smith and Jigba this year,

668
00:29:19,080 –> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: or Cooper Cup where it seems like precision and persistence,

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Speaker 1: so the forty times, yes, but what have you learned

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Speaker 1: and particularly the list of the guys that you’ve coached,

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned this already, but precision with persistence and consistency.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that you know, I value at the

673
00:29:37,920 –> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 5: receiver position is important and it is anything is being

674
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Speaker 5: detailed in everything we do. So when they say, hey,

675
00:29:45,800 –> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: the routes at ten yards, we need to be at

676
00:29:47,640 –> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: ten yards, and if we’re where we need to be

677
00:29:51,400 –> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 5: at the right time for the quarterback that we have playing,

678
00:29:54,520 –> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 5: good things will happen. I think sometimes that can become

679
00:29:58,960 –> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 5: more important than a for time or some of the

680
00:30:01,600 –> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 5: things that are measurable physically. Is just the tangibles of

681
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Speaker 5: the receiver position, of the detail, the dependability, the persistence,

682
00:30:10,600 –> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: you know, being able to have a drop pass and

683
00:30:14,040 –> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 5: then to get back in the huddle and be persistent

684
00:30:16,640 –> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 5: enough to be able to be there for your team

685
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Speaker 5: on the next play. And I think that what I’ve

686
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Speaker 5: learned over my career and some of the guys I’ve coached,

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Speaker 5: that’s maybe more important than any forty time or any

688
00:30:28,240 –> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 5: height or weight that we have on these players.

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Speaker 4: This is a tough question.

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Speaker 3: To answer right now, we’re just getting started. But fast

691
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Speaker 3: forward six months when people from around the league are

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Speaker 3: looking at our wide receiver room, what do you want

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Speaker 3: the identity of this wide receiver room to be?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it’s something that the identity, even though

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Speaker 5: we can look at it six months from now, I

696
00:30:46,520 –> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 5: think it starts like rate now, you know and rate

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Speaker 5: when these players come in the building. And I think

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Speaker 5: that the identity we want in our team again is

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Speaker 5: in our receivers is we’re going to put the team

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Speaker 5: first in everything we do. It starts with that. And

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Speaker 5: if we can do that, then we can do everything

702
00:31:03,720 –> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 5: on an individual goal basis that we need to, but

703
00:31:06,920 –> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 5: it’s going to start with putting the team first. You’re

704
00:31:08,840 –> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 5: going to have a group that’s going to be able

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Speaker 5: to play fast from the line of scrimmage and to

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Speaker 5: be able to block and compete in the run game.

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Speaker 5: And I keep it real simple in my teaching. I say,

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Speaker 5: get open, catch the ball, and compete in the run game.

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Speaker 5: If you do those three things, we stand a chance

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Speaker 5: to win at the receiver position. So and that’s how

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Speaker 5: I’ve always been with my teaching, whether it’s an individual

712
00:31:29,240 –> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 5: route or just our identity when you ask me about that,

713
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Speaker 5: Let’s just keep it simple. We’re going to get open,

714
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Speaker 5: catch the ball, and compete in the run game, or

715
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Speaker 5: try to try to do those things to help us.

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Speaker 1: Win the tight window catch. This isn’t a contested catch.

717
00:31:43,480 –> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: This is you’re open for a fraction of a second

718
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Speaker 1: and our division has excellent defensive backs Chargers do, Broncos do,

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Speaker 1: and in AFC the Texans do. Where you may have

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Speaker 1: a fraction of a second where you’re open and another

721
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Speaker 1: fraction of a second to catch it before they arrive.

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Speaker 1: How about teaching that and that because I’m mean a

723
00:32:00,440 –> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: weapon for this thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it’s something like, as you say talking

725
00:32:03,760 –> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 5: about our division, you’re going to get guys that are

726
00:32:05,520 –> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: gonna be able to cover. And it’s so important that

727
00:32:08,720 –> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: we are able to function in those high traffic areas.

728
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Speaker 5: I call them contested catches and traffic catches, you know,

729
00:32:16,320 –> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 5: traffic type throws where there’s going to be some type

730
00:32:18,480 –> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 5: of distraction because the defender is going to be close

731
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Speaker 5: to you, or our ability to make a play in

732
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Speaker 5: a contested area. I do think you can improve in

733
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Speaker 5: those areas. It’s something that you know we can improve

734
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Speaker 5: on daily. I have a plan in place for our

735
00:32:31,040 –> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: players when we get started in the spring, whether it’s

736
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Speaker 5: drill work, film work, teaching. From my experience with these

737
00:32:38,320 –> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: past players that I’ve been fortunate to be around, I mean,

738
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Speaker 5: we’re going to get started on that, and I do

739
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Speaker 5: think it’s an area you can improve and we’ll have

740
00:32:44,000 –> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: to be good in those areas because you made a

741
00:32:46,200 –> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 5: great point. In our division, there’s very competitive coverage players.

742
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Speaker 1: You had a wide receiver room with Tom Brady as

743
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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Now you’ve got a wide receiver room with

744
00:32:56,280 –> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes as the quarterback.

745
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Speaker 2: What about that?

746
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it’s awesome like to be to coach

747
00:33:01,400 –> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 5: the receivers and to have accomplished quarterbacks and to be

748
00:33:04,960 –> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 5: with Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you know, like my wife says, Hey,

749
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Speaker 5: we’re going to Kansas City, and she was so excited

750
00:33:10,880 –> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 5: and she knew one of the attractions obviously was Patrick

751
00:33:14,760 –> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 5: Mahomes and being the receiver coach for a you know,

752
00:33:17,400 –> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 5: quarterback like Pat. I just can’t I’ve had an opportunity

753
00:33:20,600 –> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 5: to meet him. I’m so excited. I just can’t wait

754
00:33:23,600 –> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 5: to get started, you know. And I was at an

755
00:33:27,080 –> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 5: organization that went through some quarterback changes recently, and I

756
00:33:31,320 –> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 5: know the importance of having a established leader at that

757
00:33:35,600 –> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 5: position and how important that is to the guys that

758
00:33:38,520 –> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: I coach. So I can’t wait. With Patrick and again

759
00:33:44,000 –> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 5: working with Tom for all those years, I’m sure that

760
00:33:47,120 –> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 5: I’m going to end up seeing a lot of similarities

761
00:33:49,240 –> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: between those two.

762
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Speaker 1: And we can’t wait to see what the wide receiver

763
00:33:52,880 –> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: room is going to look like with Chad O’shay as

764
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Speaker 1: our wide receivers coach. So exciting to have chatt O’shee

765
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Speaker 1: lead that room. Man, he has gone through a lot

766
00:34:01,720 –> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: of life in twenty years since he was here the

767
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Speaker 1: first time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very impressive guy, so cool. He was here in

769
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Speaker 3: two thousand and three just a volunteer assistant and now

770
00:34:10,280 –> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: to be back here all these years later with a

771
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Speaker 3: wealth of experience under his belt to help get this

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Speaker 3: offense back on track.

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Speaker 4: Pretty exciting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.

775
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Speaker 1: Frank Ganz Junior’s like special teams like helper. We might

776
00:34:22,400 –> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: have coached the special teams more than we know that.

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Speaker 2: That’ll be later. Just signed.

778
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Speaker 1: We’ll talk about that later, Crash Junior. Okay, what do

779
00:34:30,840 –> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: we have lined up for programming? Because as we close here,

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Speaker 1: we’re going to just we want to take you to

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis with us, and so we’ve got a lot of

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Speaker 1: things planned.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 3: So we’ll be there for a handful of days. We’re

785
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Speaker 3: going to do a podcast from there. We’ll talk about

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Speaker 3: some position groups that we’re interested in, some players specifically

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Speaker 3: that we’re interested in. We’ll also do a live stream

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Speaker 3: from there. Not exactly sure what day that’s going to be,

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Speaker 3: but like kind of middle of the week at some

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00:34:54,680 –> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: point we’ll let everybody know.

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Speaker 4: We’ll do a live stream.

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Speaker 3: We’re hopefully going to have Brett viach the show, either

793
00:35:00,800 –> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: the podcast or the live stream, maybe both. Maybe some

794
00:35:03,640 –> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: more front office people and a bunch of media people

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Speaker 3: as well, because that’s one of the cool parts of

796
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Speaker 3: the combine is like anyone who is anyone in terms

797
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Speaker 3: of NFL media will be there. We’re going to try

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00:35:13,400 –> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: to talk to them about players that they like for

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs, off season, outlook for the Chiefs, just their

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00:35:18,080 –> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: opinion on the Chiefs in general. We’ll talk to him

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Speaker 3: about that. So should be pretty cool. It’ll be fun,

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00:35:22,800 –> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: and we’ll eat a lot of steak and shrimp cocktail too.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Going to sant Elmos for the Get the be the

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Speaker 1: wet the palette, and clear the nostrils. All right, we’re

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Speaker 1: headed Indianapolis. You will be too if you join us.

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Speaker 1: So just follow us and what will bring you from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt McMullen, senior JE reporter. I’m Mitchelta’s voice

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Speaker 1: to the chiefs. Thanks for joining us on this pre

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Speaker 1: combine edition of Defending the Kingdom.