Toe in the Water ft. PFF’s Trevor Sikkema | Rookie Minicamp & UDFA Breakdown | Defending the Kingdom

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Speaker 1: For our fans in the Northern hemisphere of Defending the Kingdom.

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Speaker 1: It’s springtime. That means newness, and for the National Football

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Speaker 1: rookie Mini camp. And that was just completed. As we

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Speaker 1: look at a new batch of players coming into the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs for twenty twenty four and as we anticipate the

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Speaker 1: for a chance for winning back to back to back

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Championships. Of course, Defending the Kingdom is brought

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Speaker 1: A three yard touchdown? Pass it over time and Hi everyone.

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Speaker 1: I’m at Chelta’s voice of the Chiefs along with senior

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Speaker 1: team reporter Matt McMullen. There is a newness and a

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Speaker 1: feeling of spring. We’re wearing our Super Bowl Championship puddies

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Speaker 1: here but we also know the page has been turned

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Speaker 1: in a team that every day I sense this and

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Speaker 1: we’ve talked about it, but every day I sense from

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Speaker 1: everybody in the building that there is a real quest

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Speaker 1: to make history, to win back to back to back

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl championships. And we’ve said this before, but it affects.

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Speaker 1: It affects, as Patrick would say, mahomes every single day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that vibe is real. You think about our offseason,

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Speaker 2: there hasn’t been much of one. I mean I was

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Speaker 2: at the combine a week after the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 2: then we went straight into free agency, then went into

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Speaker 2: draft prep, draft happened, then we had rookie minie camp

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Speaker 2: last weekend. There really hasn’t been much of a break.

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Speaker 2: But for the players, I think they kind of liked that,

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Speaker 2: which is a little bit counterintuitive. They got away a

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Speaker 2: little bit. But you’re right that there’s been a certain

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Speaker 2: kind of attitude and vibe that as soon as the

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl ended, they kind of were like, all right,

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Speaker 2: let’s go for three in a row. There wasn’t even

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Speaker 2: so much celebrating we just won the Super Bowl. It’s

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Speaker 2: like this was part of our journey to hopefully accomplish

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Speaker 2: something that’s never happened before, and that mentality is real.

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Speaker 2: You can really feel that in the building. And even

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Speaker 2: though we’re just in phase two right now, which means

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Speaker 2: the guys can go out there on the field and

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Speaker 2: do like individual and positional stuff, there’s a real kind

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Speaker 2: of intensity I think, not in terms of the guys

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Speaker 2: like hitting each other, but in terms of like their

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Speaker 2: work ethic and how they’re approaching it. So that’s exciting.

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Speaker 2: If you’re trying to see this team go back to

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Speaker 2: back to back right now, they’re working on it here

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Speaker 2: in May. I know that training camp isn’t for quite

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Speaker 2: a while and the season isn’t for quite a while,

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Speaker 2: but they’re working on that journey right now.

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Speaker 1: You and I always like Phase three. We’re jumping ahead

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Speaker 1: of ourselves here and that’s coming up in a few

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Speaker 1: short days after the schedule we’ll be announced next week.

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Speaker 1: But we want to review a bit of what’s happened

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Speaker 1: in the last several days, and that is an introduction

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Speaker 1: of a whole bunch of new players into the Chiefs Kingdom.

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Speaker 1: Now a lot of those players have already they took

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Speaker 1: a picture and then they send them away. But I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you this before I get into all this,

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Speaker 1: let’s go around the world though. All right, Northern Hemisphere,

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Speaker 1: Southern Hemisphere. Springtime in the Northern Hemisphere, and it’s fall

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Speaker 1: in the Southern Hemisphere. But what do we have around

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Speaker 1: the world.

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Speaker 2: So I got two for you today, but they’re both

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting. So we have a shout out to Casey,

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Speaker 2: Jenny and Trent and the Philippines. That’d be Southern Hemisphere, right,

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Speaker 2: Southern Hemisphere on the south, yeah, and then definitely Northern Hemisphere.

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Speaker 2: We got Joel and Anchorage, Alaska. Shout out to Joel. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that’s what we got to today.

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Speaker 1: Do they still have the awesome summer league baseball like

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Speaker 2: The Yeah, it’s where there’s like no uh the twenty

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Speaker 2: whole game or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But you’ve got the Cape Cod League, which was the

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Speaker 2: But Joel has to let us know it’s tough with

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Speaker 2: an but you go up there and.

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Speaker 1: The all day day lends itself to three am baseball

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Speaker 1: shout out to our Alaskans who we love in defending

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Speaker 1: the Kingdom, and a shout out to one year coverage

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Speaker 1: of the Rookie Mini Camp. But it’s really four categories

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Speaker 1: of players that are involved in what’s happened over the

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Speaker 1: last several days, and one of the draftees, which we

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Speaker 1: The seven drafts that comprise the twenty twenty four draft class.

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Speaker 1: But then there’s the undrafted free agents, and we told

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Speaker 1: That’s an old school reference to once the draft ends,

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Speaker 1: Well now before that, there’s the veteran kind of guys

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Speaker 1: there’s the tryout guys. They just show up from everywhere

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Speaker 1: a shot? And I call these the Echo Boydo All Stars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Echo Boydo has become the poster child, now, a

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Speaker 1: he went from tryout guy to super Bowl champion. And

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Speaker 1: there’s always one or two that make it out of

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Speaker 1: the tryout. And we’ve got the one.

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Speaker 2: We got the one. It’s a wide receiver, Drawn Hyak.

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Speaker 2: We think that’s how we say his last name. We

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Speaker 2: still have yet to meet him. Drawn Hyak, we think

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Speaker 2: from Villanova was the tryout player that made the team

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Speaker 2: this year. We’ll talk about Drawn here in a moment.

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Speaker 2: Six foot one, two hundred pounds. Five seasons at Villanova

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Speaker 2: from twenty nineteen through twenty twenty three, caught one hundred

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Speaker 2: when I was watching rookie Mini Camp, I scribbled down

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Speaker 2: because repeatedly throughout the weekend he was getting a lot

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Speaker 2: that we know that the coaching staff was really interested

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Speaker 2: he could do in a variety of capacities, and he

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Speaker 2: proved himself. So good for him. That’s awesome. Not easy

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Speaker 2: to do. You kind of laid this out, but rookie

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Speaker 2: Minni Camp is complicated from a roster standpoint. Thankfully, our

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Speaker 2: PR staff color coded the roster this year. That helps

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Speaker 2: a little. Did that that was not me. I’ll not

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Speaker 2: take you twenty gosh. I was going to give you

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Speaker 2: credit because I thought that is really awesome. That’s a

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Speaker 2: big step forward that would be Kelsey Bowl in p.

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Speaker 1: I smell Kelsey Bowl on that one, then that’s she’s awesome.

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Speaker 2: She is awesome. She kind of thinks the way we

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Speaker 2: think it was very smart to color code it because

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Speaker 2: there’s really kind of five categories. So you have the

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Speaker 2: seven draft picks, that’s obvious. Then you have the eight

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Speaker 2: rookie camp eligible current players. I’m hesitant to say veterans

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Speaker 2: because guys like Lewis Rizamit was there. He’s never played

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Speaker 2: not undrafted. He was a free agent that signed over

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Speaker 2: from Wales, so he was there. So there were eight

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Speaker 2: players like Chris Soladokan at quarterback. He was the quarterback

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Speaker 2: for most of the camp. Those players are not rookies,

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Speaker 2: but they don’t have the service time experience to be

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Speaker 2: kind of aged out of the camp, so they’re allowed

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Speaker 2: to participate. And in Chris’s case, he mentioned this the

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Speaker 2: other day, he wanted to participate. He wants to be

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Speaker 2: there because it’s a great opportunity for those guys to

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Speaker 2: get better. Truman Jones is another one UDFA from last year.

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Speaker 2: He was at this camp. So eight veterans it’s very

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Speaker 2: broad use of the veterans. Were there seventeen, Well.

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Speaker 1: Let me jump in there a second, sure on that group.

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Speaker 1: But the fact and I saw Chris Olodokin today just

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Speaker 1: before we were recording, and I said, reps, man, reps.

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Speaker 1: He goes. It was awesome because he doesn’t get those

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Speaker 1: reps at any time. No, Okay, Patrick’s going to get

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Speaker 1: the bulk of him from here on, from OTAs to

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Speaker 1: camp to and then Carson Wentz will get the next group.

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Speaker 1: And then there’s some scraps at the end of the

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Speaker 1: table and that’s what Oldadocin usually gets until he becomes

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Speaker 1: practice squad. Oh, I’m Lamar Jackson this week. Ky, Yes,

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Speaker 1: So it was a big deal for him, and you

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Speaker 1: just alluded to it, but I just had a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk to him. He doesn’t get that chance and

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Speaker 1: a big deal for him and why he doesn’t buzzkill

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Speaker 1: it and he wanted to be here and get those reps.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. Tells you about his attitude one but

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Speaker 1: two this league is can you squeeze in an opportunity

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Speaker 1: at any spot? And that was for Chris olodok.

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Speaker 2: In his relationship with Patrick Mahomes as a good one.

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Speaker 2: They’re great friends. And Patrick isn’t allowed to be at

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Speaker 2: rookie mini camp. He can’t be out there participating. Chris

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Speaker 2: can though, and Chris every single day after practice was

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Speaker 2: calling Patrick and letting him know what he thought of

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Speaker 2: certain guys, how certain guys did. I mean those little

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Speaker 2: things help, I mean every advantage you can get. Why not?

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Speaker 2: So Chris Olidokin great rookie Minie camp. Awesome having him

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Speaker 2: out there. Now, Seventeen undrafted free agent signees were out there,

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Speaker 2: and there’s some confusion over this. What’s the difference between

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Speaker 2: a UDFA when we’re talking about those guys and like

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Speaker 2: a rookie tryout player. Well, when we talk about udfas,

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Speaker 2: we’re referring to them because they’ve been signed. So those

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Speaker 2: are undrafted free agents who have signed a contract with

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs, and there were seventeen of those that were

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Speaker 2: signed by the Chiefs after the draft. They’ve since released

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Speaker 2: one in order to sign Hayek. They released Reggie Brown

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Speaker 2: from James Madison. But a lot of good names on

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Speaker 2: here we can talk about in a minute, exciting players

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Speaker 2: for veteran tryout players. So you know, so Benjamin is

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Speaker 2: opportunity for him. And then Jared Wiley, I think was

417
00:19:40,200 –> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 2: my top performer from the entire rookie mini camp. He

418
00:19:43,000 –> 00:19:45,920
Speaker 2: just from day one looked the part and that’s I

419
00:19:45,960 –> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 2: think the best compliment I can give him is he

420
00:19:48,040 –> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 2: looks the part. He looks like an NFL player out

421
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Speaker 2: there and a guy who’s going to make plays for

422
00:19:52,320 –> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 2: this team. I hope early on, I mean, he really

423
00:19:54,119 –> 00:19:55,920
Speaker 2: just didn’t look like the moment was too big for him.

424
00:19:56,119 –> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 2: He was able to do a lot of different things

425
00:19:59,040 –> 00:20:02,560
Speaker 2: during red zone work on Day three, huge red zone weapon.

426
00:20:02,600 –> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 2: I think we all kind of anticipated that from him.

427
00:20:04,800 –> 00:20:07,679
Speaker 2: But also on Day one and Day two even stuff

428
00:20:07,720 –> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 2: just in the middle of the field. He was looking

429
00:20:10,040 –> 00:20:12,640
Speaker 2: really good. So Jared Wiley’s a player. I’m pretty fired

430
00:20:12,720 –> 00:20:15,399
Speaker 2: up about six foot six, two hundred and sixty pounds,

431
00:20:15,400 –> 00:20:17,760
Speaker 2: but can move and can catch the football. Hard to

432
00:20:17,760 –> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 2: find those kind of players.

433
00:20:18,880 –> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 1: It’s really going to put the three tight end and

434
00:20:20,960 –> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 1: four tight end potentially part of the offense. I think

435
00:20:25,160 –> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: in full swing for Andy Reid. We’ll see that during

436
00:20:28,000 –> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 1: the OTAs and training camp to see where it goes.

437
00:20:30,200 –> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 1: But I’m with you. When you see frame and you

438
00:20:32,840 –> 00:20:35,920
Speaker 1: see movement, and you see instinct and understanding, you can

439
00:20:35,960 –> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: see the Temple High School Texas quarterback come out in

440
00:20:38,880 –> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 1: him and understanding coverages. And I know we’re just getting started,

441
00:20:42,920 –> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: but I think those two fourth rounder guys are something

442
00:20:46,600 –> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 1: that I get really excited about. Now. I thought the

443
00:20:50,200 –> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 1: most what I saw, the most reworld, real world part

444
00:20:54,240 –> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: of the entire weekend was the chance that Kingsley Suamatia

445
00:20:58,680 –> 00:21:02,200
Speaker 1: got to go again Truman Jones. Now, Truman Jones fits

446
00:21:02,240 –> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 1: the category and.

447
00:21:04,080 –> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: He’d be one of those for current players that is

448
00:21:07,040 –> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 2: allowed to go. He has like eligibility. Yeah, he’d been

449
00:21:09,320 –> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 2: around last year. Yeah, yeah, and.

450
00:21:11,080 –> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: True and Jones a good player at a Harvard right

451
00:21:13,880 –> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 1: and so, and I thought he looked really good. But

452
00:21:17,200 –> 00:21:19,880
Speaker 1: it was some real world work, I thought for Kingsley

453
00:21:20,440 –> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: because it wasn’t like, oh, I’m going against the tryout guy.

454
00:21:23,720 –> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 1: It was Kingsley had to work. And so he’s off

455
00:21:27,160 –> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: and running, but he had to work.

456
00:21:29,880 –> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 2: And here’s what’s difficult with this camp. The rules are

457
00:21:33,119 –> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: such that they can’t play real football right now. They

458
00:21:37,560 –> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: can’t put pads on until the second week of training camp,

459
00:21:41,080 –> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: which will be like in August. So right now the

460
00:21:44,280 –> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 2: guys are out there just in shorts and jerseys and

461
00:21:48,000 –> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: they have to try to simulate as much as they

462
00:21:49,640 –> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: possibly can without doing like live hitting and things like that.

463
00:21:53,440 –> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: And that’s been like negotiated by the NFLPA. They literally

464
00:21:56,520 –> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: can’t do it. So how do you get the most

465
00:21:59,040 –> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 2: work out of this kind of camp when you are alignment?

466
00:22:02,800 –> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 2: And that’s part of the challenge as well. And for

467
00:22:05,280 –> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 2: a guy like Kingsley, you have to go out there

468
00:22:08,080 –> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: and show what you can do and get better while

469
00:22:10,720 –> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: not really playing real football, and that’s hard, but obviously

470
00:22:14,320 –> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 2: talent through the roof, potential to the roof with this

471
00:22:16,840 –> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: guy and his first taste of NFL action, going out

472
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Speaker 2: there against a player like Truman Jones who is not

473
00:22:22,480 –> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: necessarily like an NFL veteran, but a guy who’s been around,

474
00:22:25,320 –> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: who’s been around this team for over a year now,

475
00:22:28,040 –> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: that’s a good opportunity, a good experience for him working

476
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Speaker 2: within the parameters that they have to during this phase two,

477
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Speaker 2: Phase three.

478
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Speaker 1: Time footwork critical obviously whether they’re in full pads or not,

479
00:22:37,760 –> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: and then hand placement, hand fighting basically you see him

480
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Speaker 1: do it all the time. Truman Jones was really good.

481
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Speaker 1: I’m really kind of fired up to see him in

482
00:22:45,240 –> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: UDFAS And for Kingsley, it’s going to just be a

483
00:22:47,760 –> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: work in progress for him, but you know, he’s got

484
00:22:51,680 –> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: a high ceiling and a chance to learn. But I

485
00:22:54,040 –> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: thought for him for Xavier you don’t usually see in

486
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Speaker 1: your point’s a good one with even an OTAs because

487
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Speaker 1: there’s no nine on seven. There is some one on

488
00:23:02,920 –> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: one work, but it’s not like training camp one on one.

489
00:23:05,040 –> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: You really don’t get it till the pads get on. Yeah,

490
00:23:07,800 –> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: but the toe in the water for kink for Xavier

491
00:23:11,960 –> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: Worthy to jump in. Hey, we’re going to throw you

492
00:23:13,840 –> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 1: into a little deeper into the pool here. I sense

493
00:23:16,160 –> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: that a little bit from Kingsley only because I thought

494
00:23:18,240 –> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Truman Jones gave him an idea of what the National

495
00:23:22,760 –> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 1: Football League’s about.

496
00:23:24,320 –> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 2: Sure, and coach Heck’s going to challenge him. I mean,

497
00:23:26,920 –> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: Kingsley is young. Kingsley is twenty one years old. And

498
00:23:30,240 –> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: what I love about the Chief’s coaching staff is they

499
00:23:32,040 –> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: don’t do a lot of like handholding. It’s like, you

500
00:23:34,840 –> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: want to play in the NFL, you want to play

501
00:23:36,760 –> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 2: on the Chief. Let’s figure out what you can do

502
00:23:38,840 –> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: and then you know, if you give a guy too much,

503
00:23:41,000 –> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: you reel him back in. But that’s why we’ve had

504
00:23:43,359 –> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: some success finding these guys and finding players later in

505
00:23:46,560 –> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: the draft who have been able to contribute, because everyone’s

506
00:23:49,040 –> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: giving an opportunity to show what they can do and

507
00:23:52,080 –> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: given an opportunity to fail, and if you do fail,

508
00:23:54,880 –> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: how do you respond to that. That’s what this time

509
00:23:56,440 –> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: of year is all about. I mean, we’re in May,

510
00:23:59,359 –> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: so not every thing is going to be perfect. But

511
00:24:01,320 –> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: the Chiefs use this time better than anyone else. I

512
00:24:03,880 –> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: truly believe it. You talk to other players around the league.

513
00:24:06,560 –> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: This time is not used as effectively and as efficiently

514
00:24:09,520 –> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: as the Chiefs are using it. So how do you

515
00:24:11,720 –> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: use this time to get better? And it’s again not

516
00:24:13,720 –> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: always going to be perfect, but the work you put

517
00:24:16,359 –> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: in now is going to pay off when we’re in

518
00:24:18,160 –> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: the middle of November and you’re playing the Baltimore Ravens.

519
00:24:21,440 –> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: The work you put in now helps you then. So

520
00:24:23,440 –> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: that’s what’s exciting about this time of year. It’s a

521
00:24:25,359 –> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: process of getting to where we’re going.

522
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Speaker 1: And process and processing is a big part of this

523
00:24:31,480 –> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: because they get thrown a lot manually and who can

524
00:24:35,440 –> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: process and who can process it quickly and then who

525
00:24:37,960 –> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: can translate that processing to the field as quickly as possible.

526
00:24:42,880 –> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: That’s also evaluated from now in including training camp.

527
00:24:45,920 –> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: And their retention as well. Coachy will say that it’s

528
00:24:48,600 –> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: this is all kind of a test. So the rookies

529
00:24:52,040 –> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: can’t come back for the Phase two stuff yet the

530
00:24:54,000 –> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: rookie minuting camp happened last weekend. They are then sent off,

531
00:24:57,200 –> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: even the draft picks. Everyone’s gone. That then come back

532
00:25:00,080 –> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 2: the week of May twentieth for OTAs. That’s when the

533
00:25:02,960 –> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: veterans are here on a voluntary basis. Well, coach is

534
00:25:05,840 –> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: going to see what did they remember, what did they

535
00:25:08,359 –> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 2: retain because a lot of the rookie mini camp stuff,

536
00:25:11,080 –> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: like the installs with plays and everything, that is the

537
00:25:13,520 –> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: stuff that’s done on day one and day two of OTAs,

538
00:25:16,040 –> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: so they have a head start. Those guys should, in

539
00:25:18,840 –> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: theory already have that stuff down. So if you have

540
00:25:21,680 –> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: a couple of rookies who don’t really know what’s going on,

541
00:25:24,520 –> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: they’re making mistakes about the stuff that’s done in day

542
00:25:26,680 –> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: one and day two of OTAs well, that tells coach something.

543
00:25:29,400 –> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: They didn’t retain the information. And likewise, if you have

544
00:25:32,359 –> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: players that are really good at it right away on

545
00:25:34,720 –> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: day one and day two, those guys took what we

546
00:25:37,400 –> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: taught them a couple weeks ago and they didn’t just

547
00:25:40,000 –> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 2: leave as soon as they left here. They retained it.

548
00:25:41,960 –> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: So that’s really important as well.

549
00:25:44,000 –> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: I give the West Point analogy here, So please you

550
00:25:46,760 –> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: show up. You’re excited that you got in. Had needed

551
00:25:49,359 –> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: a congressional appointment. You’ve got to be really good and

552
00:25:52,000 –> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: smart and get good sat or Act scores, and then

553
00:25:55,480 –> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: you get like thirty minutes to say goodbye to your parents.

554
00:25:58,200 –> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: So that’s the time where you celebrate. Hey, I got

555
00:26:01,119 –> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: drafted by the Chiefs. Hey, I got a new DFA

556
00:26:03,960 –> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: contract with the Chiefs. Hey, I’m getting to try it

557
00:26:06,240 –> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs. Hey I’m a veteran, but I’m getting

558
00:26:08,119 –> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: invited back to give it a shot again. And then

559
00:26:11,359 –> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: it’s over. You can get digit sell it because you

560
00:26:13,960 –> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: jump right in and go to work.

561
00:26:16,160 –> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: But that’d be ready.

562
00:26:17,040 –> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: That’s the thing for everybody. So my UDFA MVP of

563
00:26:23,280 –> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: Rookie Minni caamp is Fabian love It, who’s the defensive

564
00:26:26,840 –> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: inside tech who played at Florida State but prior to

565
00:26:30,040 –> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: that was at Mississippi State and didn’t have tons of

566
00:26:33,160 –> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: production at Florida State. Because to me, he’s and it’s

567
00:26:36,440 –> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: ironic because Derek Noddy played at Florida State and so

568
00:26:39,720 –> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: I’m like, who’s ninety nine? Who’s ninety nine? And so

569
00:26:43,080 –> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: then you go back and you go Oh, that’s the

570
00:26:44,680 –> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 1: love It kid and really good player. This is a

571
00:26:49,240 –> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: guy I think to just will watch him through training

572
00:26:52,960 –> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: camp and through OTAs. But we’ve seen the Turk Whartons

573
00:26:57,600 –> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: come from an undrafted status. We see Derek who since

574
00:27:00,840 –> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen has helped this team win three Super Bowls

575
00:27:04,880 –> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: doing basically the dirty work. When I saw love It

576
00:27:08,520 –> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 1: and for the first time, I saw those same kinds

577
00:27:11,920 –> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: of players. So I don’t want to get ahead of myself.

578
00:27:14,480 –> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: Don’t put him in the Hall of Fame, but there’s

579
00:27:16,840 –> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: enough there to go right. That might be my UDFA MVP.

580
00:27:21,640 –> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: Dane Brugler is my favorite draft analysts. He does great stuff.

581
00:27:24,640 –> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: His draft guide is dense and extensive, and he has

582
00:27:27,840 –> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: information on everyone. But you don’t have to look far

583
00:27:30,680 –> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: to find Fabian love It in his draft guide because

584
00:27:32,800 –> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: he’s a player he projected as a fifth or sixth

585
00:27:34,720 –> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: round pick. The Chiefs got him as a UDFA. Sometimes

586
00:27:37,640 –> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: guys just fall through the cracks for whatever reason. And

587
00:27:40,240 –> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: love It’s a talented player who a lot of people

588
00:27:42,359 –> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: who do this for a living thought would be drafted

589
00:27:44,720 –> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: kind of in the middle of the draft. Here’s what

590
00:27:46,480 –> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: Brugler wrote about him. He said, Love It is stout

591
00:27:48,920 –> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: at contact with a god given length and power to

592
00:27:51,520 –> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: continue getting better as a pass rusher. He has a scheme,

593
00:27:54,119 –> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: versatile skill set and projects as a rotational interior lineman.

594
00:27:58,760 –> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: If that evaluation holds tr and if you can earn

595
00:28:01,320 –> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: a spot on this roster, maybe the practice squad, that’s

596
00:28:04,240 –> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: like an extra draft pick. Getting a player of that

597
00:28:07,359 –> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: skill set and with that talent as a UDFA is exciting.

598
00:28:11,080 –> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: So I’m with you on Fabian love It. A few

599
00:28:13,240 –> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: others to know, and you talk about wingspan. There was

600
00:28:15,840 –> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: one play I believe day two it’s wide open. Remember

601
00:28:19,000 –> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: I talk about the most devastating defensive play that nobody appreciates,

602
00:28:21,920 –> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: and that’s the tip pass. Yeah you have one of those?

603
00:28:23,640 –> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it was open and I think it

604
00:28:25,880 –> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: was held of dope and like, oh, crad, this was

605
00:28:27,680 –> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: going to work. But then he knocks it down, like help,

606
00:28:30,000 –> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: that didn’t work? Yea, And so and when you look,

607
00:28:32,920 –> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: I think it’s thirty five and a quarters wingspan. It’s

608
00:28:35,359 –> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: like for legit and you don’t usually see that sometimes

609
00:28:38,480 –> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: in inside text. You’ll see him from outside text. But

610
00:28:42,920 –> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: there’s just something enough there with him that we’ll keep

611
00:28:47,000 –> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: four eyes on him during the OTAs.

612
00:28:48,920 –> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we certainly will a few others to know. Linebacker

613
00:28:52,520 –> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: Curtis Jacobs from Penn State is interesting, another player that

614
00:28:56,040 –> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: Brugler thought would be a fifth round pick. Just a

615
00:28:58,480 –> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: ton of production at Penn State and also played on

616
00:29:01,240 –> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: special teams there. Over the last three years, he had

617
00:29:03,320 –> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty seven special team snaps. For a

618
00:29:05,800 –> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: lot of these guys, that’s very important to have that

619
00:29:07,680 –> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: special team’s flexibility and experience. Carson Steel from UCLA is

620
00:29:12,400 –> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: a fun one, a running back.

621
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Speaker 1: Originally, can I pause on that one?

622
00:29:16,240 –> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, please jump in because that’s where you’re going.

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Speaker 1: I’ll let you finish and then we’ll go there. Because

624
00:29:20,480 –> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: because Matt and I live weird lives we do. We’ll

625
00:29:24,120 –> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: text each other like, hey, have you seen this guy?

626
00:29:26,120 –> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: Or what did you think about this guy? Or you know,

627
00:29:28,000 –> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: it’s usually late at night. I’ll let you finish on

628
00:29:30,600 –> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: him because there’s a funny story with this one. Well.

629
00:29:32,440 –> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: Carson Steele was at Ball State for a couple of

630
00:29:35,000 –> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: years and two years ago. At Ball State he was

631
00:29:37,600 –> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: like legitimately a superstar. He rushed for one five hundred

632
00:29:41,040 –> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: and fifty six yards fifteen total touchdowns earned All Conference

633
00:29:44,600 –> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: honors and forced ninety six missed tackles. Then this is

634
00:29:48,280 –> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: what I really respect about him. It kind of reminds

635
00:29:50,160 –> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: me of what Mike Dana did years and years ago.

636
00:29:52,920 –> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: He could have just kept having all this production at

637
00:29:55,040 –> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: Ball State and he’d likely be drafted because his numbers

638
00:29:57,720 –> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: are video game ridiculous. But he decided to to challenge himself.

639
00:30:01,200 –> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: Transferred to UCLA, wanted to play in the Pac twelve

640
00:30:03,960 –> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: and led the bruins and rushing. So he went from

641
00:30:06,840 –> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: a smaller program where he had crazy numbers, went to

642
00:30:09,480 –> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: a big program where you’re playing Power five schools on

643
00:30:12,280 –> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: a regular basis, and still had a really nice season.

644
00:30:15,000 –> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: So Carson Steele is a fun one. He can bench

645
00:30:17,880 –> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty pounds and squat six hundred and

646
00:30:20,120 –> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: seventy five pounds. You know, Bruce Feldman does that Freaks

647
00:30:22,840 –> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: list every year. He was on there last year. He

648
00:30:25,240 –> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: looks like a linebacker. So speaking with special teams, I

649
00:30:27,520 –> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: think he’s a player that could contribute on special teams

650
00:30:29,520 –> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: right away.

651
00:30:29,960 –> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: If you make Feldman’s freak List and you’re a running back, okay,

652
00:30:34,280 –> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: that’s a that’s a deal. But Jordan Geisler is our

653
00:30:39,040 –> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: creative director here. He’s really talented. Oh yeah, he’s helped

654
00:30:42,680 –> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: us both immeasurably.

655
00:30:44,440 –> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: He does the whole brand. If you see anything otherwise,

656
00:30:47,000 –> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: that’s a Chief’s like the logo, everything is them.

657
00:30:49,160 –> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that’s Jay Dog. Okay, how long ago was it?

658
00:30:52,520 –> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: He goes, Carson Steel Man, here’s my sleeper of the

659
00:30:55,120 –> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: whole twenty twenty four classes, Carson Steel Ball State. Well

660
00:30:58,720 –> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: I went back. If you want to see crazy video

661
00:31:01,240 –> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: game numbers, look what he did at Greenwood, Indiana. I bet.

662
00:31:05,040 –> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it’s it’s so a gazillion yards. So

663
00:31:08,880 –> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: then he becomes ball State guy. Then he becomes UCLA

664
00:31:11,320 –> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: guy that was Jordan’s guy all along. Oh yeah, he

665
00:31:14,680 –> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: gave us that ping thirty days before the draft. So

666
00:31:19,320 –> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: it’s so now the draft’s over, we’ve done Draft Fest.

667
00:31:23,280 –> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: We’re both done with the draft, trying to get to

668
00:31:26,560 –> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: the monsoon to get where we’re supposed to go to next,

669
00:31:28,760 –> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: and I’m trying to clean up stuff. Who do I

670
00:31:30,840 –> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: see but Jordan and he goes we got Carson Steel.

671
00:31:35,840 –> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: He was the happiest guy in the Chiefs Kingdom because

672
00:31:38,920 –> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: we picked his guy as a UDFA. He answered the call.

673
00:31:42,480 –> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: He took the call, disdained thirty one other teams to

674
00:31:45,640 –> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: become Jordan’s guy as our ball State slash Greenwood, Indiana

675
00:31:50,200 –> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: slash UCLA running back. I thought it was funny because

676
00:31:53,160 –> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: I thought of you right away, because I go, now,

677
00:31:55,000 –> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: we got our creative director who’s involved in this.

678
00:31:58,040 –> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: I do this series on YouTube and social called draft

679
00:32:02,120 –> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: Talk where I break down various position groups and players

680
00:32:05,800 –> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: we could take. And he popped in my office. I

681
00:32:08,800 –> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: really like in maybe late March when I was working

682
00:32:11,560 –> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: on the running backs, because I kind of try to

683
00:32:13,280 –> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: study them and research them and write guys down who

684
00:32:15,680 –> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: I’m going to talk about in these videos. And he’s like,

685
00:32:18,040 –> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: you got to look up Carson Steele. Look up Carson Steel,

686
00:32:20,200 –> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: like all right? Like I look him up and I’m like,

687
00:32:21,720 –> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: yeah me, he looks good, like yeah, And then what

688
00:32:25,120 –> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: do you know, a month later he was right all along.

689
00:32:27,480 –> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: So Jordan, good for you on targeting Carson Steel. Now

690
00:32:30,640 –> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: he’s a chief.

691
00:32:31,400 –> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the Money Bailey running back out of TCU.

692
00:32:33,840 –> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: You look at his production. It was phenomenal for them.

693
00:32:36,960 –> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: So we’ll wrap it up here. It’s a toe in

694
00:32:39,040 –> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: the water for Xavier Worthy and for Kingsley Suamatia. It

695
00:32:43,560 –> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: was a maybe thrown into a little deeper water than

696
00:32:47,000 –> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: the other guys, but still it’s a start. First day

697
00:32:49,960 –> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: of swimming lessons. Get ready to go, because now it’s

698
00:32:53,520 –> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: gonna get even tougher and ramp up even more and

699
00:32:56,320 –> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: even more exciting it is.

700
00:32:58,360 –> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: And I even have more for you here because I

701
00:33:00,600 –> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: caught up with Trevor Sikima earlier this week. Trevor Sikima

702
00:33:03,200 –> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: is from Pro Football Focus does all their draft stuff,

703
00:33:06,000 –> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: and I had Trevor on It’s for a few minutes

704
00:33:08,400 –> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: talking about his thoughts on our draft class and also

705
00:33:10,840 –> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: some of our UDF face. All right, we’re joined now

706
00:33:13,400 –> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: by Trevor Sikima from Pro Football Focus, one of the

707
00:33:15,680 –> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: very best draft analysts out there. And Trevor want to

708
00:33:18,040 –> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: ask you about the Chief’s first round pick and Xavier Worthy.

709
00:33:20,560 –> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: And it’s funny because sometimes the most obvious and the

710
00:33:22,760 –> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: easiest answer is the correct answer. Because months ago, the

711
00:33:26,320 –> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: very first draft segment I did was with you, and

712
00:33:28,760 –> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: I asked you who could make sense for the Chiefs

713
00:33:30,920 –> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: that at the time thirty two overall, and the very

714
00:33:33,320 –> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: first player you mentioned was Xavier Worthy. And here we are.

715
00:33:36,480 –> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: He was the Chief I was curious for your thoughts

716
00:33:38,240 –> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: on the move.

717
00:33:38,920 –> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I could turn that, you know, if I

718
00:33:41,120 –> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: could turn that confidence of bets into like my sports

719
00:33:43,600 –> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: betting career, I feel like I’d be a lot better

720
00:33:45,720 –> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: off with being able to call stuff and being able

721
00:33:47,840 –> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: to prop it off of it.

722
00:33:48,560 –> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: But anyways, look Xavier Worthy.

723
00:33:50,280 –> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: I think he is a perfect connection for what the

724
00:33:52,160 –> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: Chiefs want to do because you know, it’s not as

725
00:33:54,680 –> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: simple as people think of like, oh, yeah, mahomes big arm,

726
00:33:57,400 –> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: vertical offense, but that is an element of their offense

727
00:34:00,280 –> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: last year specifically that was lacking in consistency. They were

728
00:34:03,680 –> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: going after it, they were trying to do it, but

729
00:34:05,080 –> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: just that consistency wasn’t there from it. And so I

730
00:34:07,600 –> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: really think that this is a player who they’ve had

731
00:34:09,800 –> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: a lot of turnover of some guys that could be

732
00:34:13,120 –> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: focal points in the passing attack. But Worthy to me

733
00:34:15,960 –> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: fits a role no matter what they were going to

734
00:34:17,640 –> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: do in the off season of how they wanted to

735
00:34:19,080 –> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: get better, and I felt like this was going to

736
00:34:20,640 –> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: be an area where they gravitated towards and obviously, way

737
00:34:23,040 –> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 3: back in February, I felt like it made sense free

738
00:34:24,920 –> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: agency went by the draft came around and here we go.

739
00:34:27,719 –> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: It’sa you’re worthy as a Kansasity Chief And you know,

740
00:34:29,760 –> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody earlier in the week, and

741
00:34:32,600 –> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: sure it is like the vertical aspect of what he

742
00:34:35,239 –> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: can do with his deep speed and how he can

743
00:34:36,880 –> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 3: help this team.

744
00:34:37,520 –> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: But also the.

745
00:34:39,520 –> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: Chiefs are really good at getting the most out of

746
00:34:43,560 –> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: players speed in a lot of different areas, so like

747
00:34:47,160 –> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: this is a team that they themselves have watched them

748
00:34:50,640 –> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: do this. James Jeremiah NFL Network emphasized this as well,

749
00:34:53,640 –> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: like how much the Chiefs corners have to be good

750
00:34:57,160 –> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: tacklers because they understand that the league is going to

751
00:34:59,400 –> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: a place where things are getting very stretched out and

752
00:35:01,760 –> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: teams are much more willing to throw those screens and

753
00:35:04,600 –> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: basically say, okay, make your corner tackle, like we’re gonna

754
00:35:08,280 –> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: put him in a position where everybody else is going

755
00:35:10,000 –> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: to be blocked up.

756
00:35:10,880 –> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 4: And your corners are going to have to tackle us.

757
00:35:12,560 –> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Well.

758
00:35:13,320 –> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: I think they also take that to the offensive side

759
00:35:15,560 –> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: of the ball, where they say this is where we

760
00:35:17,440 –> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: want the league to go, where we think the league

761
00:35:19,440 –> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: is going, We’re going to lean into this as well,

762
00:35:21,239 –> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: and we’re going to have a player in Xavier Worthy,

763
00:35:23,080 –> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 3: where we can get the ball in his hands very quickly.

764
00:35:25,280 –> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: We don’t just have to get the ball in his

765
00:35:26,760 –> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: hands forty fifty yards down the field to maximize that

766
00:35:29,160 –> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: four to two speed. We’ll get in his hands pretty quickly.

767
00:35:32,000 –> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 3: And if your corners can’t tackle, guess what. That’s thirty

768
00:35:34,640 –> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 3: forty yards down the field. And it’s about as easy

769
00:35:36,400 –> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: as just a game of pitch and catch. So to me,

770
00:35:38,440 –> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: that’s why Worthy his speed, the things that he brought

771
00:35:41,680 –> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: to the table, it always made sense for Kansas City,

772
00:35:44,640 –> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: and I get what they went after him in the

773
00:35:46,360 –> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: first round.

774
00:35:47,480 –> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, guy, that seems to make a lot of sense.

775
00:35:49,200 –> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 2: And I’m totally with you where I think he has

776
00:35:51,360 –> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 2: the deep speed obviously fastest forty yard dash with the

777
00:35:53,800 –> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: combine ever, but also has the ability to affect the

778
00:35:56,680 –> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: game at all three levels with that speed, not just

779
00:35:59,200 –> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: straight line speed, which I think differs him from other

780
00:36:01,760 –> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 2: guys who had great forty times over the last several years.

781
00:36:04,520 –> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: I just think it’s so funny that, you know, we

782
00:36:06,440 –> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 2: spent so many weeks and months talking about the stuff

783
00:36:08,719 –> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: and first guy you mentioned way back in February is

784
00:36:10,760 –> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: the guy they end up taking in the first round.

785
00:36:13,400 –> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about our second round pick

786
00:36:14,840 –> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: as well, Kingsley Suamataiya from BYU left tackle with versatility

787
00:36:19,800 –> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: to play right tackle as well. Your thoughts on Kingsley

788
00:36:22,560 –> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: now being the chief A.

789
00:36:24,040 –> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: Former five star guy, started his career at Oregon, ended

790
00:36:26,800 –> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: up moving back home to BYU. Like you mentioned, he’s

791
00:36:28,640 –> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: played right tackle and left tackle. A really good athlete

792
00:36:31,400 –> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: for his size. I mean he is terrifying when he

793
00:36:33,880 –> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: gets out on the hoof. I mean when they’re running

794
00:36:36,160 –> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: either pitch roouts or just again like screens where he

795
00:36:39,840 –> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: can get off the line of scrimmage and he becomes

796
00:36:42,320 –> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: like a lead blocker in space.

797
00:36:43,440 –> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 4: If I was a safety, I’d be terrified. I might

798
00:36:46,239 –> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 4: make a business decision.

799
00:36:47,239 –> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: I might just go like, all right, I’m gonna make

800
00:36:48,600 –> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: sure that we got to take you out of play,

801
00:36:50,080 –> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: but like, don’t hit me too hard, big Fellas. So,

802
00:36:52,400 –> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: the way that he moves, in the athleticism that he has,

803
00:36:54,880 –> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 3: that explosion, this definitely shows up in his tape.

804
00:36:57,280 –> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: But he’s just raw.

805
00:36:58,120 –> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: I think it is in his consistencies of how he is.

806
00:37:00,239 –> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: Is a blocker right now, you don’t want to watch him.

807
00:37:02,200 –> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: He got better about this as the year went on

808
00:37:04,000 –> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 3: for sure, but certainly when I was watching twenty twenty

809
00:37:07,120 –> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: two in a little bit of early twenty twenty three,

810
00:37:09,040 –> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: he had a tendency to want to like shove guys

811
00:37:11,200 –> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: instead of really get his hands up inside and like

812
00:37:13,400 –> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 3: block them and just totally take them out of the play.

813
00:37:15,920 –> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: You get the hands inside and really just like use

814
00:37:18,520 –> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: those vice scripts for hands and really just kind of

815
00:37:21,400 –> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: maintain those blocks. And that’s what you want to see,

816
00:37:23,320 –> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: right Like, that’s the kind of blocking that you want

817
00:37:25,280 –> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: to that you want to gravitate towards, because that’s more consistent.

818
00:37:28,680 –> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 3: That allows you to maintain those blocks, and you become

819
00:37:30,719 –> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: more reliable and more consistent. And I just think as though,

820
00:37:35,480 –> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: whether he plays left or right, I don’t think he

821
00:37:37,560 –> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: has to play there right away, which is really important

822
00:37:39,440 –> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: to me in the spot that he’s landed in Kansas City.

823
00:37:41,320 –> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: Because some people were talking about Kingsley is like a

824
00:37:43,640 –> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: late first round pick, and I was like, Okay, I

825
00:37:45,160 –> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 3: see the talent. I understand why you’re doing this from

826
00:37:47,400 –> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 3: a talent standpoint, But if you draft a guy in

827
00:37:50,000 –> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: the first round and offensive line, and a lot of

828
00:37:51,600 –> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: times you want him to.

829
00:37:52,440 –> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: Start pretty quickly, and would have been.

830
00:37:55,040 –> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: I would have been a little bit nervous about that

831
00:37:56,640 –> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: if you were just going to stick him out there

832
00:37:57,920 –> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: in week one. But with Kansas City, they’ve got enough

833
00:38:01,080 –> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: guys around him where he doesn’t have to start right away.

834
00:38:05,040 –> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: He can really hone in on how to be more

835
00:38:06,960 –> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: consistent with his handwork and really more consistent, more patient

836
00:38:09,520 –> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: as a blocker, and I think when you combine that

837
00:38:11,440 –> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 3: with his athletic potential, you’ve got a future starting offensive tackle,

838
00:38:14,840 –> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: or at least you have it in the cars. This

839
00:38:17,400 –> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: is within the realm of a realistic possibilities for him.

840
00:38:20,840 –> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: So to me, maybe not an instant impact type of

841
00:38:23,520 –> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: a player.

842
00:38:24,040 –> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: Maybe he is.

843
00:38:24,560 –> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: Maybe he’ll surprise me, and I’d love to see that.

844
00:38:26,520 –> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 3: But at the very worst, I feel like you’re two

845
00:38:28,480 –> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: year three. You’re getting a guy that you’re thrown out

846
00:38:30,160 –> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: there to be able to start for you because.

847
00:38:32,120 –> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 2: He’s got a lot of promise well in just twenty

848
00:38:34,520 –> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: one years old, which is exciting. I think sometimes we

849
00:38:37,480 –> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: all kind of forget about this. We think all the

850
00:38:39,160 –> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: draft picks are the same age. But I mean there

851
00:38:40,840 –> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: was guys in this draft that are twenty five, twenty six.

852
00:38:43,560 –> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 2: I mean, Kingsley is twenty one years old, just turned

853
00:38:45,400 –> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 2: twenty one in January, with like you said, the potential

854
00:38:47,880 –> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: and talent through the roof, so excited to see how

855
00:38:50,080 –> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: he can kind of come along here in OTA’s and

856
00:38:51,920 –> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: they get going in about a week now. Day three,

857
00:38:54,680 –> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: I think the Chief’s got a lot of value over

858
00:38:56,680 –> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: the course of several hours of that Saturday. Is there

859
00:39:00,280 –> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: a pick or two? But you really liked for the

860
00:39:02,080 –> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: Chiefs in day three.

861
00:39:03,280 –> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: Man, I liked a lot of what the Chiefs were

862
00:39:05,440 –> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: able to do on day three. I mean, I love

863
00:39:07,520 –> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: the Wiley pick because I think it’s a really good,

864
00:39:09,719 –> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: like long term investment for them. You know, no, Gray’s

865
00:39:12,200 –> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: in the last year of his rookie deal. IRV Smith’s

866
00:39:14,200 –> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: just a one year deal right now. I know that

867
00:39:15,800 –> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey signed the extension, but like, getting Wiley in

868
00:39:18,440 –> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: the building right now allows him to be you know,

869
00:39:21,120 –> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: maybe rotational tight end this year, tight end two next year,

870
00:39:24,360 –> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: maybe even tight end one the year after that. And

871
00:39:26,000 –> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: I think it’s a really nice progression. So I think

872
00:39:27,560 –> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 3: they did a great job of capitalizing on that. Jayden Hicks,

873
00:39:30,200 –> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: I think allows them to play that three deep safety

874
00:39:32,960 –> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: rotation that the Chiefs have loved over the last couple

875
00:39:35,120 –> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: of years after losing on Mike Edwards. So I really

876
00:39:37,160 –> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: liked that one. The Hunter Norzad pick. I felt like

877
00:39:39,560 –> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 3: Norrizad could have gone a lot higher in this draft.

878
00:39:41,800 –> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: They end up getting him in the fifth round, and

879
00:39:43,239 –> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: you could say, well, hold on, the Chiefs already have

880
00:39:44,880 –> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: a great into your offensive line. Yeah, but this is

881
00:39:46,719 –> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: the type of player who, if any of these guys

882
00:39:48,600 –> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: go down for the short term, you could plug in Norzad.

883
00:39:50,640 –> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: He’d play any spot, either guard or center, and you

884
00:39:53,480 –> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: can get by with it.

885
00:39:54,480 –> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: Right.

886
00:39:54,680 –> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: That’s somebody who you’re not afraid to kind of like

887
00:39:56,760 –> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: play in a pinch, but he’s not going to go

888
00:39:58,160 –> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 3: in a starting role over the guys that are there

889
00:40:00,040 –> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: right now.

890
00:40:00,440 –> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: But certainly for this three peat run.

891
00:40:03,640 –> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: He’s somebody who you got faith in to be able

892
00:40:05,640 –> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 3: to play right away and not just look completely lost.

893
00:40:07,960 –> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: So those are a handful of players that really stood

894
00:40:10,320 –> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: out to me. And I know you kind of asked

895
00:40:11,880 –> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 3: me to give one, but.

896
00:40:13,000 –> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 4: I gave the Chiefs.

897
00:40:14,040 –> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 3: I gave the Chiefs an a draft so and the

898
00:40:15,840 –> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: reason why is because not only do I think they

899
00:40:17,600 –> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: nailed their early picks, I think they nailed the late

900
00:40:19,520 –> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: picks as well, they got a lot of really good

901
00:40:21,000 –> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: value and I just.

902
00:40:21,640 –> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 4: Love the fit in the vision for each one of

903
00:40:23,840 –> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: these players.

904
00:40:25,080 –> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: Well, I think that’s how you maintain a dynasty, is

905
00:40:27,560 –> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: you find players late in the draft who can come

906
00:40:29,760 –> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: out contribute. I mean the Chiefs have done a great

907
00:40:31,480 –> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: job of that obviously in recent years, getting guys like

908
00:40:33,520 –> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: Isaiah Pacheco and Jalen Watson and so many others. But

909
00:40:36,920 –> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: I was looking at your top one hundred lists going

910
00:40:38,880 –> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: into the draft, and I think you had Wiley and

911
00:40:41,960 –> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: Jayden Hicks both a top one hundred players that She’s

912
00:40:44,320 –> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: got them both in the one to thirty range. So yep,

913
00:40:47,040 –> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: say something about the value of the draft. I mean

914
00:40:48,719 –> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: that’s I think why the Chiefs win. Obviously you want

915
00:40:51,000 –> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: to hit on the Day one and Day two guys,

916
00:40:53,160 –> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: but finding guys later in the draft is so important

917
00:40:55,920 –> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: for a team like the Chiefs. That’s picking at the

918
00:40:57,480 –> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: end of the round every single round. Hopefully they did

919
00:41:00,960 –> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: that again here with these guys, and it keeps going

920
00:41:03,160 –> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: into the UDFA period, which the Chiefs have had so

921
00:41:05,719 –> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: much success of finding college free agents as well over

922
00:41:08,520 –> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: the years. I Mean, the list goes on and on,

923
00:41:10,040 –> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: guys like Trashaun Wharton still on the roster, Who’s previous

924
00:41:13,040 –> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: UDFA now starts for this team at times. Darryl Williams

925
00:41:16,000 –> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: was on this team for a long time. Help this

926
00:41:17,560 –> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: team win. Was a UDFA. Plenty of examples. When you

927
00:41:20,760 –> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: look at the Chiefs UDFA class this year, who stands out.

928
00:41:24,160 –> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: They got a handful of players that were very notable

929
00:41:27,840 –> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: to me that I watched for the draft guide in

930
00:41:29,840 –> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: the UF UDFA portion of signing these guys, and I

931
00:41:34,080 –> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 3: thought it was just a really great job. I mean,

932
00:41:35,400 –> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: you brought up Isaiah Pachaco. I think the running back

933
00:41:37,160 –> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: that they got a UCLA Carson Steele. I mean, I

934
00:41:39,080 –> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: feel like he’s kind of cut from the same cloth, right,

935
00:41:40,880 –> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: He’s like a bigger, more powerful back. I mean he’ll

936
00:41:43,120 –> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: just put his shoulder India. He’s somebody who is going

937
00:41:45,640 –> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: to thrive off of those yards after contact. I really

938
00:41:47,840 –> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: felt like his style fit. What the what the Kansas

939
00:41:51,480 –> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: City Chiefs kind of gravitate towards of their running game.

940
00:41:53,640 –> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: So I love that fit there, Fabian love it. I

941
00:41:55,600 –> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: thought it was going to absolutely get to be drafted,

942
00:41:57,520 –> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: and so to get him as a UDFA, I think

943
00:41:59,480 –> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: is a deep offensive lineman, a strong defensive lineman piece.

944
00:42:01,840 –> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: That’s a really nice one to me.

945
00:42:03,120 –> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: Curtis Jacobs, I thought certainly had a chance to get

946
00:42:05,120 –> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 3: drafted as well. This is a player with really good athleticism.

947
00:42:08,480 –> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: He’s just got to anticipate a little bit better. But man,

948
00:42:10,680 –> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: if the light can come on for this guy, he

949
00:42:12,160 –> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 3: can absolutely make this roster. I think he’s a practice

950
00:42:14,760 –> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: squad guy for sure, no matter what this year, but

951
00:42:17,160 –> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: then he develops into potentially a guy who can be

952
00:42:20,680 –> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: a depth linebacker for you can make the team, can

953
00:42:22,560 –> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: make the active fifty three man. And then the last

954
00:42:24,200 –> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: guy that I would shout out is Ethan Driscoll, the

955
00:42:26,560 –> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: massive offensive tackle prospect from Marshall who just size alone.

956
00:42:31,000 –> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 4: I think you want to take it. You want to

957
00:42:32,360 –> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: take a bet on him.

958
00:42:33,000 –> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: He’s a former basketball player, so you kind of see

959
00:42:35,200 –> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: those basketball movements with him, and just overall consistency making

960
00:42:38,440 –> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: sure that he’s utilizing that length as best he can,

961
00:42:40,880 –> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: because he’s not the greatest athlete when it comes to

962
00:42:42,920 –> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 3: those kick slides and moving on moving out in space.

963
00:42:46,280 –> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 4: But if he can continue.

964
00:42:47,760 –> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: To anticipate better and just use his length in more

965
00:42:50,640 –> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: patient ways, I think that he is somebody who again,

966
00:42:53,000 –> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 3: you can’t teach the type of size that this dude has,

967
00:42:55,600 –> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: so maybe he also has a chance to make the

968
00:42:57,480 –> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: roster at some point in time. So I thought it

969
00:42:59,920 –> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: was there’s a really solid draft for them overall on

970
00:43:02,280 –> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: draft weekend. But then that continues with the udfa’s because

971
00:43:05,360 –> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: when I looked at their UDFA class overall, it was

972
00:43:08,360 –> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: a lot of guys that I thought were going to

973
00:43:09,680 –> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 3: get drafted that they got after the draft.

974
00:43:11,880 –> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it’s an exciting group. This happens every year where

975
00:43:14,120 –> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: those players that everyone kind of thinks will be drafted

976
00:43:16,520 –> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they don’t get drafted, but they have

977
00:43:18,800 –> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: an opportunity now wherever they end up, and in this

978
00:43:21,080 –> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: case with those guys in Kansas City, to show that

979
00:43:23,120 –> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: they belong and to show that teams made a mistake

980
00:43:24,800 –> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: by not drafting them. And at least in Rooie Minnie Camp,

981
00:43:27,320 –> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: a couple of those guys Babe and love it. In particular,

982
00:43:29,560 –> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: I really stood out. So it should be interesting to

983
00:43:31,880 –> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: see where those guys’ careers go here moving forward. But

984
00:43:34,800 –> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: good value for the Chiefs kind of turns into an

985
00:43:36,600 –> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: extra draft pick or two if those guys can hit

986
00:43:39,880 –> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: Trevor awesome stuff. As always, really appreciate your time. I

987
00:43:42,840 –> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: can’t imagine the work that goes into all this stuff,

988
00:43:45,160 –> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: just working for months and months and months to prepare

989
00:43:47,040 –> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: for the draft. But I hope you get a break

990
00:43:49,280 –> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: here coming up and once again to really appreciate your time.

991
00:43:52,480 –> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it, Matt. I mean like you guys

992
00:43:54,160 –> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: do a phenomenal job as well. I know it’s been

993
00:43:56,400 –> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: a long season for you guys in coverage with the

994
00:43:58,280 –> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: Super Bowl run and then immediately turn on to the Draft.

995
00:44:00,719 –> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 3: So hopefully you guys get some well deserved rests as

996
00:44:03,760 –> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: well before we get into you know, mini camp and

997
00:44:05,960 –> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: training camp and all that good stuff.

998
00:44:07,160 –> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 4: But I appreciate them, a friend, all.

999
00:44:08,800 –> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: Right, good stuff there from Trevor. These guys just labor

1000
00:44:12,600 –> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: over this stuff for months and months and months. So

1001
00:44:14,800 –> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: guys like you and me who are focused on the

1002
00:44:16,320 –> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: super Bowl as soon as it’s over, can try to

1003
00:44:18,160 –> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: figure out what the draft class looks like. But we’ll

1004
00:44:20,440 –> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: respect all the work that goes into this for those

1005
00:44:23,400 –> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: individuals that pour over it for a year’s time. I

1006
00:44:26,480 –> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: mean those the draft analysts that are going to become

1007
00:44:28,960 –> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: really popular here in about a year. They’re a crunching

1008
00:44:31,640 –> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: tape right now on next year’s class. And you and

1009
00:44:34,560 –> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: I aren’t even thinking about that. But the guys that

1010
00:44:37,920 –> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: provide these draft guides and analysis and evaluations that we

1011
00:44:42,360 –> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 2: rely on so heavily throughout February, March and April, they’re

1012
00:44:46,480 –> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: working on them right now. So shout out to guys

1013
00:44:48,360 –> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: like Trevor. Really appreciate your work.

1014
00:44:50,600 –> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate the work of Bredveach and his staff as well.

1015
00:44:53,320 –> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: We do go back, what two or three episodes ago.

1016
00:44:56,120 –> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: We got to give those guys credit. They deserve it

1017
00:45:00,080 –> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: because they live the same life. Oh yeah, they’re already

1018
00:45:02,320 –> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 1: working on twenty five and some twenty six, but they

1019
00:45:06,640 –> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: you and I think they crushed it again, not only

1020
00:45:10,320 –> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: with the draft class with udfas and they drive the

1021
00:45:14,200 –> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: school bus up to the swimming pool and say it’s

1022
00:45:16,400 –> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: the first day of swimming lessons, or drive the leaves

1023
00:45:18,640 –> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: up to West Point and say here they are. Now

1024
00:45:21,280 –> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: it’s time to train him, and then the coaches take over,

1025
00:45:23,960 –> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: and that’s where we’re at.

1026
00:45:24,800 –> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: That’s where we’re at. It’s such a cool thing to

1027
00:45:27,600 –> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: see the front office grind like they do, and even

1028
00:45:30,960 –> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: all those tryout guys, I mean those tryout guys are

1029
00:45:33,800 –> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: meticulously selected. They’re here for a reason. It’s not just

1030
00:45:36,880 –> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: like you apply online. I mean the coaching staff is

1031
00:45:40,560 –> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: given an opportunity to work with these players because the

1032
00:45:42,560 –> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: front office has identified all of them. These are the

1033
00:45:44,760 –> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: players we want in here, and maybe one or two

1034
00:45:47,000 –> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 2: of these guys will stick and the coaches then evaluate it.

1035
00:45:50,280 –> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: But we talk about it almost every episode, not every team,

1036
00:45:53,960 –> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 2: and I think actually very few teams have the total

1037
00:45:56,760 –> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: cohesion and lack of egos and lack of battling like

1038
00:46:00,800 –> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: the Chiefs coaching staff and the front office because so

1039
00:46:03,560 –> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 2: many teams around the NFL, one or the others trying

1040
00:46:06,680 –> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: to prove that they are maybe the reason that the

1041
00:46:09,000 –> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: winning is happening or the other is the problem. Not

1042
00:46:12,000 –> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: the case with the Chiefs. They don’t care. They just

1043
00:46:13,640 –> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: want to win, and they work together better than anyone else.

1044
00:46:16,520 –> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: And really, Rookie Mini Caamp’s a great example of that,

1045
00:46:18,960 –> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: where the front office is laboring for months and months

1046
00:46:22,760 –> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: trying to find the thirty eighth tryout guy to bring

1047
00:46:26,239 –> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: here because they think the coaching staff will appreciate it

1048
00:46:29,400 –> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: and that it’ll make this team better, and that’s why

1049
00:46:32,000 –> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: this team keeps winning and we move forward. Before we

1050
00:46:34,800 –> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: know it, it’ll be OTAs.

1051
00:46:36,520 –> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: And sometimes the sticking is in immediate. Sometimes these guys

1052
00:46:39,719 –> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: will show up as a practice squad edition later in

1053
00:46:42,120 –> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: the year, sure even next year, and you’re like, oh,

1054
00:46:45,280 –> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: that’s that guy who is either well, they came the

1055
00:46:49,080 –> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: first day of swimming lessons and put their toe in

1056
00:46:51,040 –> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: the water.

1057
00:47:00,719 –> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: H the fo